"Suzy Welch, an NYU business professor, previously said the trend is fuelled by Gen Z’s ‘strong desire to avoid anxiety at any cost’ because they haven’t made hard decisions or done hard things.
Pike believes the discussions around mental health and mental illness must continue and that Gen Z will eventually learn to cope with difficult feelings.
‘There may be times where a Gen Z young professional may have a threshold around stress or anxiety or mood that actually over time an expanded comfort with a wider range of emotional experience will actually be a maturing experience for them,’ she said.
‘Success grows out of learning how to get back on the horse, learning how to build the skills, how to ask for help, and how to build capacity in ways that didn’t exist. That’s part of maturing in the workplace.’"
So fucking tone deaf, gotta love the baiting of success. Success to Business Insider of course meaning committing your life force to that grind culture to make the owner’s ego score lines go up.
Kathleen Pike, a Columbia University psychology professor and president and CEO of One Mind at Work
Ah, the “professional” is also a CEO who has a business to run and doesn’t want to tackle mental health issues at work. Seems like Business Insider is cherry picking their sources. The article writer, Sawdah Bhaimiya, is a talentless hack who is hurting her own generation by encouraging a hopeless grind as normal.
Fuck these two people and this bullshit article.
Fuck these two people and this bullshit article.
Agreed. I just feel such articles do need to be openly mocked rather than ignored and left to quietly delude naive people without sound rebuttal.
It is nice to see crap like this so you know to avoid the publication later on.
Oh I missed the part where she’s the CEO of a company, and now it all makes sense.
It’s a probably just her. She probably does some consulting work on the side of her teaching.
I figured. Would be more honest to say she ran an LLC, but look at who our source is after all.
she’s self-employed so she can put adequate pressure and a totally normal amount of stress on that lazy fuck of an employee she is
Yep. I just pointed out how this article misrepresents the point of the research.
I feel like the pandemic showed the cracks in the status quo, and ever since things have gone back to “normal,” employers are trying to nudge things back to the pre-pandemic status quo. People have seen other possibilities through those cracks, and business has no idea how to deal with it.
The pre pandemic status quo was still horrible. Around 2015/6 was the last time I felt that my job compensated me fairly and that the government was taking necessary action to ensure that I can eat and sleep on the salary I make. The pandemic just made workers rights a fucking dream of the past, as companies literally stole money from directly in front of our faces.
The “Some stress is good actually!” argument has been thoroughly debunked.
And it should’ve never been taken seriously in the first place, because it was based on rats learning how to run through a maze.
There’s an episode of You Are Not So Smart where they talk about this myth.
If I recall correctly, the expert he’s interviewing is like: “It’s ridiculous. Have you ever seen someone at the top of their field doing their job? They’re not stressed at all. They’re in the flow state — relaxed but engaged.”
Edit: I think it’s one of the Jud Brewer episodes. Either 218 or 187
Edit 2: Yes, it’s 218. About 15 minutes in.
Yeah I do software development and yesterday I was WFH got some music going churning out code getting lots of stuff done and then my boss starts sending me emails trying to put pressure to stress me the fuck out and barely anything else got done the rest of the day. Today I took a sick day for a mental health day. Will he get the point? Probably not.
It just really comes down to petty people with power. They want to make things shit for the people working for them just to express their power over them.
These look super cool, but it says episode is unavailable - where do you listen to these?
Huh, yeah 187’s embed looks broken. I listen on Apple Podcasts, cuz I’m basic like that. Spotify has them too. And iHeart apparently? lol
Sweet! If you or other readers are into this sort of thing, I think it has the same vibe as “If Books Could Kill”, some very solid debunking going on there too
I love If Books Could Kill!
Gaslight me, daddy.
“Crush my class harder daddy”
Uh yeah, fuck that noise…
Might be news to these CEO-types that work-life balance is a thing we (Gen Z and everyone) want.
The length and quality of sleep I have directly affect the stress and productivity levels at my job separate to whatever tough challenges there are to tackle and decisions there are to make.
There couldn’t be a better time to standardize a 4 day workweek and have flexible WFH options.
It’s funny how we have come full circle. The 1990s and 2000s were filled with articles and physicians telling us that the secrets of the universe involved avoiding stress in your life.
A pretty quick skim indicates that the author and interviewee believe that it’s normal for our work experiences to be unpleasant and that Gen Z is (weirdly) wrong for wanting their lives to be better than the lives of the people who came before.
I mean work isn’t always going to be pleasant because you’re sometimes going to be doing boring shit simply because you’re getting paid to do it.
But yeah, if work is stressful it’s just because management fucked up. They didn’t hire the right people, or enough people, didn’t allocate enough time, etc. It’s just pressuring employees to cover for their fuck up.
Suzy Welch, an NYU business professor, previously said the trend is fuelled by Gen Z’s “strong desire to avoid anxiety at any cost” because they haven’t made hard decisions or done hard things.
Theory: Suzy Welch emerged from a pod as a fully mature adult, and never experienced puberty or high school.
Business professors are required to have the ability to have empathy surgically removed.
Young people not cooperating with owning class plot to use them and discard them like disposable, replaceable parts in their vanity machines, suggest they should straighten up and fly right and know their place like millennials and Xers did.
Now that the promises of Salvation through Hard Work and upward mobility have been thoroughly debunked, there’s nothing to motivate the kids to grow up to be wage slaves and willing victims of office abuse.
The ownership class will tremble something something chains.
We’ve already seen capitalism fail twice in recent memory, first in 2008 and then in 2020. One would have to be a complete fool to believe the system is fair at this point.
I’m relieved that they don’t just hate on us millennials for everything now. But I’m sad that they just shifted it over to Gen Z. I’m sorry, good.
Hey it was Gen X before. I guess everyone gets attacked by really stupid people. I always loved how my father would complain about “kids these days” but couldn’t conceive that he, as the parent, was responsible for whatever his complaint was.
I thought the joke was that gen z was born in such a high stress environment that they actually looped back around to not caring
“It is what it is”.
Add her to the list of people we eat
I would like to inform Suzy Welch that an imbalance has developed in the amount of greed that corporations are pushing. The drive to “do more with less” has become untenable and unrealistic, and people are suffering over it. Oh, and also, Suzy can go fuck herself with a rusty bollard.
Not nearly enough words in that article, Suzy. And only one? You know that chatGPT doesn’t require benefits, right Suzy?
Way to completely misunderstand the point of the article:
“Gen Z being open about mental health issues is a “watershed moment” in the workplace and sparking meaningful change in the long term, according to Pike.”
~ Pointing out the progress made in brining theee things to the surface.
"At the same time, in the effort to talk about mental health and share around mental illness, there can also become an expanded discourse of experience that at times loses track of normal fluctuation of human experience and mental illness,"
~ pretty self-explanatory here if you’re not polarized and understand how nuance works.
“Feeling stressed out when you have a deadline or feeling sad, disappointed or anxious are “normal life experiences.”
~ again, self-explanatory, but the gist is that anxiety and stress are normal and oftentimes even beneficial. It’s part of nature and as animals, it’s healthy that we have this. Expecting a completely stress-free working environment is absolutely ridiculous and unrealistic.
Expecting a completely stress-free working environment is absolutely ridiculous and unrealistic
Why?
Because line must go up!
Because there are deadlines at work, or busy times, or certain cases where the person doing the work is doing it the first time and needs to figure things out.
There can be things done to make the job low stress, but you can only do so much.
The point here isn’t that stress can come even from stuff you like to do. The point here is that you can create work for people to do that doesn’t harm them emotionally in the process.
But that isn’t being communicated from asking for a “no stress” job.
Because again, NUANCE. Not all jobs are the same and some are stressful by their nature. No one here is saying that a McDonald’s job should be stressful or involve anxiety. But believe it or not- some jobs REQUIRE you to work in stressful environments.
Stress and anxiety can be healthy. Look it up. Or of course you can continue to argue about articles written by people who actually have researched the subject extensively, and understand how it works.
So what you’re saying is expecting a completely stress-free working environment is realistic for most jobs except for a few high pressure ones?
No, that’s not what I’m saying. Nor is it what they’re saying. But you go ahead and see what you want to see.
