This kind of meme is disheartening seeing on Lemmy, that’s supposed to be full of open minded people. And I write that as someone who saw a real UFO in 1990 in Greece, together with others. The tech in 1990 was not there for the US to create a silent, gravity-defying, appearing and disappearing in-front-of-our-eyes vehicle. So this meme, AND the comments from the other lemmy posts in the last 2 days about the recent ufo events are rather insulting to me. The phenomenon is real.
Edit: Also, I don’t understand the downvotes! You downvote anything you find going against your grain? My experience is my experience and it’s equally as valid!
Don’t take it personal. Immature people will downvote you (which I personally dislike) and you can switch to an instance that doesnt have downvotes enabled. It was part of why I choose Lemmy.today.
Anyway about UFOs… A lot of people have seen them. But the reaction from the public is usually what you see here on Lemmy. I don’t think people here are more open to aliens than anywhere else.
You don’t need to convince anyone they exists. It actually doesn’t matter what people believe about this topic. :)
I think you’re taking it too personal.
If it makes you feel better, for me its not about the phenomenon at all.
Its about the source not having any credibility when topics touching militarism and war are concerned.
And since an interest exists to weaponize space and this narrative fits the bill it might be true or not, but a comitte hearing, the pentagon or the intelligence community are as helpful in finding the truth as blindly guessing.
The phenomenon is here since the late '40s. So militarizing space now might be about the phenomenon (or at least, in part). My problem is that many people think that this whole thing is a distraction. It’s not. It seems that several Congress members, from both parties, are interested in unveiling where trillions of dollars went by the military, that can’t account for most of it. And by digging, they found the ufo program, and they’re trying to get to the bottom of it. Instead, people see it the other way around: a monolithic evil government trying to distract us or scare us so they get more money. This is just laughable from where I sit, having experienced what I experienced, and having closely looking at what’s going on with the congress.
militarizing space now might be about the phenomenon
Just to be clear I did NOT have a shortage of explanations for the interest to militarize space. That was already a given, much more so than any phenomena
seems that several Congress members, from both parties, are interested in unveiling where trillions of dollars went by the military
In the Oversight committee on national security? No way.
Its crazy how different interpretations can be. I was constantly roling my eyes listening to that hearing
Wow the US is really paying people to shitpost on Lemmy as part of their coverup. Someone must be really worried about the AOC and Matt Gaetz dream team coming for their ass.
I have no idea how to interpret your comment
OP is a Pentagon shill.
Climate, real estate, price gouging, enshittification, health care, voter suppression… There’s an awful lot to distract us from.
Don’t forget the big labour union wins for UPS and the Teamsters, no war but the class war baby.
Most wars are arguably class wars. The invasion of Ukraine is Russian government (bourgeoisie class) versus Ukrainian people (working class), for example.
Two things can be true.
If the alien stuff was real, I would immediately want to hear their opinion about how we should address our pollution problems. I want to believe.
But sadly it’s not. It’s a distraction.
The whole point of an UFO is that it is unidentified. I don’t get how people instantly think that the aircraft is alien…
Because the dude said the ships were piloted by non-humans, and that the pentagon took the non-human biological remains to experiment on. Like he didn’t outright say the word “aliens” but he 100% meant aliens.
What if they were super smart, pilot trained monkeys?
Its Raccoons, 100% raccoons
The thing I think a lot of people miss is that, if I’m not mistaken, due to his position he has to report on what he was told. It doesn’t matter if it sounds insane or he doesn’t have proof; his job is to tell Congress what he was told during his investigations. If he was told that it’s aliens, then that’s what he has to tell Congress.
I want to believe it’s aliens. I think that’d be pretty cool. However, my speculation is that he was given false information by the military to try to make him sound nuts and get Congress off their backs. Either that or he wasn’t given the full picture. Just because something is non-human doesn’t mean it’s alien in origin. It could be unmanned drones that had mice, monkeys or dogs in them to test g-forces (not sure why you couldn’t use a dummy in this day and age, but that’s beside the point). It could be the result of some kind of experiment to use biological matter instead of silicon and wiring. It could be aliens. There still isn’t enough information for a definitive conclusion except that the US has had unidentified objects flying through controlled aerospace unimpeded.
There’s also the guy who was squad commander and his tic tac incident. 4 sets of eyes saw it. Two carriers, the Nimitz and another one tracked them with radar. There’s a recording. I dunno, the guy seemed alright to me, honest. The tech in 2004, no heat emission, no wings, is out of this world.
Great comment!
The congress person asking why the whistleblowers didnt use the term extraterrestrial was so cringe. This was after the part where they explained they keep an open mind for other theories like interdimensional phenomenon. Really shows how uneducated some people that hold higher degrees really are.
Usually it’s just a spy plane. Sometimes from the same country. Or a weather balloon, falling satellite, or just instrument errors. It’s never been aliens. And if aliens can get all the way here, they aren’t doing some shifty shit like being detected by friggin RADAR! Can you imagine how embarrassing that’d be?
“Hey Quizlock, we heard you did some recon of Earth and the humans caught you on their radio frequency detection and ranging devices! How’d you manage that? Blast visual data at them and not absorb anomalous spectra? What an amateur! Now get back to reconfiguring the new quasar drives!”
What’s the source? When did America confirm aliens?
They didn’t. They did confirm ufo sightings but there’s nothing said on aliens/extraterrestrial origin.
Grusch has sworn under oath that there are departments in the government that have actual alien crafts and bodies.
still waiting for the actual evidence
I welcome physical proof as well. But this isn’t Bigfoot or Loch Ness or anything like that. There’s a mountain of testimony spanning decades. Too much smoke for there to be no fire.
There is also decades of proof of crazies getting into higher official positions. I don’t get why it’s harder to believe that these testimonies come from further crazies than believing that there is a huge, international, decade long cover up of alien contact.
shrugs. Idk what else to tell you. I’ve been following this stuff for a long long long time and this is ‘the moment’. People can continue to bury their head in the sand and stick their fingers in their ears or whatever they want to do.
This is real and it’s happening now and we get to watch it in real time.
Is there a later moment where I can verify this without trusting a handful of people?
I welcome physical proof as well. But this isn’t Bigfoot or Loch Ness or anything like that. There’s a mountain of testimony spanning decades. Too much smoke for there to be no fire.
That’s not how it works. Evidence isn’t a “nice to have” on top of everything else, it’s the bare minimum. Everything else is hearsay.
When something is real it doesn’t beg for your trust, it begs for your eyes.
Show me a body or show me a craft. And do it in a way that is undeniable. This should not be that hard if the evidence actually were there. It’s a pretty simple conundrum. The obfuscation necessary to present these things as real would not be present if they were actually real.
As far as I am concerned the whole UFO phenomenon is a psy-op to keep bottom-scraping “researchers” busy, to promote the idea that the US in possision of superior alien technology (master race BS similar to late Nazi-era propaganda), and an attempt at getting other nations to waste money attempting to either “catch up” or attempt to spy on these assets. It also is a way for the military-industrial complex to go to Congree and beg for more money to combat these non-existant aliens and their phantom technology.
They stated there’s no way for us to contrast ‘em. This was the guy on the right, the pilot. He said they’re too fast.
Every time I hear the phrase “under oath” I mentally replace it with “pinky promise” because it all has tbe exact same amount of weight. There’s no reason to assume someone is being truthful just because they promised you they aren’t lying.
Then there is the technicality of “if they believe it is the truth then they aren’t lying” so as long as other have convinced them enough for them to believe it, then they haven’t broken their oath.
This is just meaningless elementary school behavior from adults and anyone that can’t see that or thinks oaths and such symbolic social constructs are meaningful are not worth taking seriously.
Unlike pinky promising, there are serious criminal penalties for lying under oath. It’s perjury and counts as a felony and comes with up to 7 years in prison. Not to mention what it would do to your career, especially a career in the military/intelligence.
so as long as other have convinced them enough for them to believe it, then they haven’t broken their oath.
I agree. Grusch could have been misled and bought into lies/misinformation. But at the very least I think HE believes it or wouldn’t be putting his career in jeopardy by reporting to Inspector Generals and testifying to Congress.
The above poster makes it sound like he is likely to be lying about it, which I think is a weak character attack and not arguing in good faith.
Don’t forget, along with the oral and written testimony, Grusch supposedly provided enough evidence to the ICIG to warrant an “urgent and credible” threat.
For those serious criminal penalties to happen, you’d have to prove that the testimony was a deliberate lie. So, once again, we’re back to proof. Besides, the guy with the most interesting testimony only offered up hearsay - things he was told by others. He didn’t claim to personally have seen any wreckage, alien bodies, etc.
Even reading about it felt like a waste of time. My sympathies to anyone who actually watched it live.
To me the most interesting one was the testimony, video and all the rest from the pilot of the tic tac incident.
I only care about aliens if they’re going to use their tech to fix our climate. Otherwise they can fuck off.
I mean, any contact will shift the me vs them mentality, hopefully, from country vs country to world vs world.
True. I wasn’t debating that, just saying if they’re going to sit back and watch us boil alive, they’re useless and not worth considering. We’ve got existential problems.
e: I see what you’re saying – maybe if we learnt we’re not the centre of the universe we’d come together. I guess I’m a cynic and I don’t think that would happen. We’d more likely enter new holy wars, with the major religions disrupting society again. Meanwhile, we’d still boil alive.
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The only way we’re going to solve the climate crisis is through bloodshed (in Minecraft), I guarantee it. There’s too much money in it for anyone to willingly give up their golden goose. However, most people don’t want to kill each other and most people especially don’t want to be the first person to pull the trigger, because those people rarely live to see the fruits of their labor (in Minecraft). As such, might as well pretend there’s a potential alternative that doesn’t involve murdering people (in Minecraft).
When more areas become unlivable due to temperature or rising sea levels, and more harvests start failing due to extreme weather, shit will get real fast.
They’ve already started using razor wire traps in the Rio Grande to murder refugees fleeing the tropics.
Clock is ticking until they deploy landmines.
Wonder how long it’ll take for conservatives to essentially legalize hunting refugees for sport
There are already instances of sheriffs deputizing citizens to help “police the border.”
Now the psychos who couldn’t actually get a job doing this shit are allowed to do it for free.
buh it was undah oath
Yeah, feeling the same way over the past few years with blurry footage and people saying “WHAT IS THAT?” about something very likely mundane like a balloon or IR flare of another craft.
Also new relevant video, Those damn alien bastards are real (Gianni Matragrano as Duke Nukem)
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Its worthwhile reading Caitlin on the matter (as it is for every matter)
She correlates the partly obvious bait with the desire to weaponize space
I like the interpretation that the UFO news is the equivalent of casual Friday for Congress. Everyone gets to wear silly hats and play pretend for a few hours, it breaks up the boring monotony of giving endless checks to the Pentagon.
Except obviously the pentagon needs some cash to deal with the aliens.
I prefer to maintain an open mind. So while i dont trust government not to use “aliens!” as propaganda. I do actively listen when officials are speaking under oath.
The way I understood what they said. if the military is unable to cooperate and providing more information Then they will move to try strip the military of funds going to those unaccounted projects. (Congress did mention about 60% of military budget going unaccounted)
Never did i hear annything alluding to extra funding.
The legal risks for the whistleblowers lying under oath are pretty huge and if they don’t uphold those when they cant maintain the lie then there basically saying making insane claims under oath is ok.
I am still not saying its not convenient propaganda but it is still something to pay attention towards. After all distracting media works both ways. If even a sliver off the uap stuff is real and it become s impossible to keep that hidden, then disclose when so much other stuff is on our mind is a valid strategy to water it down.
Well sure, but the Pentagon can get as much money as it wants whenever it wants. There’s no need to make up shit about aliums.
This is just for fun.
it breaks up the boring monotony of giving endless checks to the Pentagon.
Does it? Or is it just the foreplay for more endless checks for the pentagon to weaponize space
Please, as if the Pentagon couldn’t get endless checks to weaponize space without making up shit about ayylmaos
They can ask for any amount of money for any reason and they’d get it, it’s just “because Chyna!” gets boring after the hundredth funding discussion. It still works, but that’s not fun anymore. This UFO shit is just to spice things up.
USA makes this alien BS up to make the rest of the world feel that USA is the only worthwhile Supreme Reich™ on earth that aliens will give a fuck about, and rest of the world is filled with worthless untermenschen. People that give a shit about USA kiddies spotting aliens on their rooftops and these MKULTRA’d walking experiments claiming they have alien dead bodies in Area 51 are NPCs and this stuff is a fat load of bullshit meant to distract people from their societal and economical issues.
Dude go for a walk or something.
The problem is there seems to be a group of career Military bureaucrats and private contractors who are working on something they are not willing to share with Congress and diverting budget money to fund their little side project.
Maybe it’s aliens? I have my doubts, but whatever is happening is outside the law and needs to be rooted out. These people were not elected and don’t get to decide what Congress can and cannot have access to.
