Android is FOSS tho
Tell that to Google…
Google having their own proprietary crap embedded in their version doesnt make AOSP not FOSS.
Thats the entirety of the basis for things like GrapheneOS, despite Google gobbling it up.
Not technically no, though neither does it fully embrace the spirit of FOSS either. Anyway I was explaining the appearance of those two being at odds with one another in the meme. Anyone who does not enjoy meme content can simply block this community and move on with the serious side of life.:-)
Correct me if I’m wrong but does FOSS not simply mean the following?
software that is available under a license that grants the right to use, modify, and distribute the software, modified or not, to everyone free of charge
source: Wikipedia
From my understanding AOSP’s license grants all those rights. I think what you might be opposed to is that it isn’t developed out in the open, which is a fair criticism.
Well, they wrote the “spirit of FOSS” and you pulled out a completely sterile definition, which has no spirit at all.
At the very least, even with that sterile definition, embracing the spirit would mean making all the software you’re distributing FOS. Instead, Google has been doing all kinds of bundle deals and whatnot to ensure that most distributions of their FOSS software come with their proprietary parts.
However, going further in embracing the spirit, particularly the “free software” part of FOSS is idealistic. It doesn’t just fulfill that definition to fulfill that definition. Rather, it sees that definition as the baseline, to help ensure that the freedom of users is respected.
AOSP, despite being under an appropriate license, does not respect that freedom.
For example, many users would want their keyboard app (which has access to their typed passwords) to not have internet access. AOSP has a myriad of permissions, but not for internet access, since Google wants their ads to be displayed.In theory, the license ensures that AOSP can be forked, and Custom ROMs do soft-fork it (i.e. make slight amendments to what Google puts out), but due to how much development Google puts into Android rather than there being a development community, it’s effectively not viable for anyone to truly hard-fork AOSP (i.e. take it into a new direction, independent from Google).
it can always be forked as a project that does. this is part of the point of foss.
yeah just like Chromium technically speaking
Android is FOSS, but is your phone FOSS?
GrapheneOS FTW
Do android stans exist? Had always thought android was the lesser of two evils for most people
its most definitely the lesser, but there are still many people who would suck off Samsung and Google if they had the opportunity to.
trust me I’ve met them
I honestly haven’t seen an “Apple fanboy” IRL in like 10 years lol I feel like that romantic image ended some form ago.
Still, great meme and very true lol
You still get a lot of the old ‘android is for poor people’ narrative. Age and sub-culture also play a part.
Drake, one of the most commercially successful musicians in the past 15 years, released a song where he says he wouldn’t answer a call from a woman because she was calling him from an android.
That song came out just 6 months ago (Oct 2023) and was number one on the charts. A ton of young people will have heard that and been influenced on some level by it, so the Apple fanboy/android hater thing probably won’t be going away any time soon
That’s also Drake and nobody respects him.
I want this to be true lol
I get that but there’s a bit of a difference in status symbols/conspicuous consumption and “Apple fanboy” culture IMO. But again, I get what you mean.
damn I wish I lived where you lived
Fanboys are not the same as people flaunting wealth. I generally see fanboys as advocates for the product and its feature sets. There is no doubt a lot of people by iPhone because of the image of wealth it displays and because it’s an easy decision if you have disposable income from a “set it and forget it” standpoint. The green vs blue text nonsense illustrates that clearly.
It’s like buying designer handbags. They’re still functional handbags and you don’t have to think about it. But it’s primarily about what the brand says about you. I just don’t consider this the domain of “fanboys.” Like I don’t describe Nintendo fanboys as people who buy Nintendo to show off they own Nintendo products. They buy it because they are staunch advocates of Nintendo and its games, as well as generally unable to critique the company or any of its products, usually electing to constantly talk about how everyone else is terrible and Nintendo is perfect and loves them.
Damn, in my school class… I thought we are all old enough but my class also consists of Narcisstic and Egocentric people.
I’ve written this a couple of times now, so this is gonna be the last one: it’s not about the wealth it displays, the conspicuous consumption.
Consider the term “Nintendo fanboy.” Do they buy it because of the image? To impress everybody that they own Nintendo products? No, they defend Nintendo and are staunch advocates of the company and their games, unwilling to be critical or consider where other companies/products might be better. They’re basically zealots for a product. Cost and what it says about your status are not top of mind.
There are people who buy Apple products for the social image, to flaunt wealth. That is not the same as the fanboy.
I just had a colleague mock me (good naturedly) the other day for having an android phone. I just laughed and said, I’m no fan of Google but at least I can install what I want on here. That was the end of it, haha.
I think that’s because pretty much everything just happens on the internet now. Most specialized applications are either built cross platform or are a website, so it really doesn’t matter what you use that much. It’s just down to personal preference
If you follow a certain orange website, until very recently there’s been a big group of apologists who protect the big and mighty if any bad news surfaced.
This has started to change, but the change is very recent. And in the startup ecosystem using a Mac is a standard and if you do not like them, you are considered weird and the latest social note keeping tool everybody else uses in the company has severe bugs on Linux, if it even works.
i’m a big fan, personally
based asf
Lineage OS fan here. I’m in the clear
“Google is insidious. They’re really an advertising data-collection company, but people think they’re a tech service company. Their whole strategy is to provide stuff like Chrome for free so that lots of people use it and it becomes a de facto standard, and then they flip a switch and quietly mine all of that data.”
15 minutes later…
“Anyway, I prefer Android cuz it’s FOSS.”
People who prefer android because it’s open source usually use open source android because that’s what they want.
That being said, proprietary blobs and black boxes are a pox on basically every usable device these days. I hate it.
Laughs in Harmony OS
I had a lot of hope for Android in the early days before Google dropped the n’t from their “Don’t be evil” corporate slogan.
