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Linux users are famous for e-peen measuring and tearing each other down.
We destroy ourselves. Lol
Yes, but that also kind of drives us to be better at it 🤔… kinda…
Still, I do agree, a dose of it is OK, but constantly, no.
“BE BETTER AT HAVING DIFFERENT SUBJECTIVE PREFERENCES” - some Linux guy probably
“The Pianist” (2002), btw. In case anyone didn’t know and was wondering.
Adrian Brody’s best performance if you ask me.
Ubuntu is fine as a gateway drug imo. It hasn’t made the best decisions over time though, but I appreciate it’s contribution regardless.
Ubuntu is what got me hooked to linux. By now I’m ready to jump ship and maybe use debian in the future.
I have old history with Linux and am just coming back. I did my first test build for my office to get away from the dying Windows 10/avoiding 11. I went with a basic Linux Mint cinnamon build, got our network printer and core software working. Will you let me live?
Yes, but you better be installing arch on your toaster by next week.
I went to install Arch and it did not seem easy. I opted for Cinnamon Mint.
Try Void it has an installer 😉.
Kidding, stick to Mint until you feel ready you can take a bigger bite. And do opt for the Debian Edition Mint.
Not to sound condescending, but I’d like to caution against this language. Mint is a perfectly fine OS to run permanently and never look back, and you absolutely can take a bigger bite while never having to install another OS. Distros are for the most part just a jumping off point and a set of defaults.
I agree though, LMDE stronk
I said I was kidding 😉. If he likes Mint, sure, stick to whatever rocks your boat ☺️.
Meanwhile, OpenSUSE keeps rolling along, ignored
That’s because it’s not RHEL 😂.
Nah, as an arch user most people don’t likely need it. Mints a great option. No matter what you do with arch (even endeavor) there’ll always be alot of setup, by design, and with how fast things move they’ll break commonly. Like the grub issue a bit back, or the kernal that could have caused screens to die, or more recently the nvidia drivers forcing many screens to be stuck at one brightness.
I love arch, it’s a testing bed for the linux ecosystem. The first place where things exit beta and interact with each other in the wild. It’s definitly not what most people want for a computer though especially not for work. That’s why I duel boot with OpenSuse tumbleweed for my contract work (also, separating work and regular life makes things easier but that’s not relevent)
EndeavourOS
My toaster is electromechanical. No µC / mutable memory available. Not even a manual switch (turn on/off using the wall switch). So no arch there unless I swap some components. I use EndeavourOS with DWM on one of my VMs, though.
Do I get to live?
No excuses, get a pi and stick in there!
I’d have a toasted pi every-time I ran it. Talk about expensive sandwiches.
“Installing Linux on a Dead Badger” is an actual book. https://archive.org/details/installinglinuxo0000snyd/mode/1up
I hope you mean LMDE mint
No
Oh, come on, he’s not that bad 😁.
Me: “I use Arch btw!”
Still gets shot
Arch user! Burn him!
Why they shoot him? With ak’s No, no
He need one of these
We need to make sure to get rid of them snaps
Ubuntu server is fine relax
Just use Debian
Yeah no
Netplan and the default systemd network dependency can screw off
Doesn’t even come with ufw enabled
Desktop distro is almost ok for server usage.
grabs gun GIVE ME BACK MY LINUX MINTS
Debian is more stable.
Why is Ubuntu getting so much hate? it was a good entrance for many people into the Linux world
It started when they started including Amazon sponsored results in the menu search really. These days using apt occasionally will install a snap package instead of a deb. It doesn’t give people a good jumping on point and it teaches that linux is more difficult than it has to be.
Ubuntu’s use of Snap made me go back to Arch.
Try Linux Mint
Firefox snap doesn’t work with keepassxc browser integration and smart cards randomly, so I uninstalled the default snap on ubuntu, edited configs to make sure it didnt grab snap by default, and then install the deb Firefox.
Every single fucking time I did a distro upgrade, ubuntu uninstalled deb Firefox, rwdis the configs to automatically install snap Firefox, and then reinstalled snap Firefox.
One of the reasons I left windows was because it kept changing my default browser. How is ubuntu any better?
I started my linux journey on ubuntu 11.10. I have some real nostalgia and loyalty to that platform, but I recently gave up on it and switched to fedora because of its relentless self-promotion is snap. I feel like you’d be doing a disservice to recommend it as a gateway into Linux to someone nowadays.
Oooooh, that’d really rub me the wrong way. My wife is still on a Windows PC. She’ll ask my why certain changes she made get reverted, and my default answer is “Microsoft thinks it knows better than you”.
Canonical has a long history of thinking it knows better than you, but funneling everyone into their closed-source walled-garden our-way-or-the-highway gonna-charge-money-the-moment-we-figure-out-the-legality Snap Store sure if the most Microsofty.
It USED to be OK. Now, it’s just bloat, ads for snaps and pro features.
Can someone please show me these ads for snaps? I’ve been using Ubuntu for almost 4 years and I’ve never seen an ad for anything.
They don’t really asvertise snaps in the OS per say, but they do push users to use snaps instead of .deb packages. Why? My best guess is they wanna monopozie the portable app market (Snaps, Flatpak, AppImage) and become sort of like what systemd is now - unreasonable to ask to use anything else but systemd.
Pro features ads are right there when you do
apt updateorapt upgrade(can’t remember which one of these, maybe both).Is it an ad or is it just letting you know about a feature you can use? I don’t personally consider that an ad.
Unpopular opinion I prefer snaps over flatpak. At least when I update snaps I actually know how much is going to be downloaded lol
They forced Firefox’s default package into a snap recently. They did this without integrating with Gnome or common plugins like password managers. This of course broke a ton of shit out of the blue.
Then, to get Firefox off of snap, you have to do a non zero amount of config instead of giving the users a simple option at install. If you mess that config up at all, the next Firefox update just goes back to snap.
Forcing people’s primary application into an Canonical controlled packaging system is likely worse than an ad, honestly. It made it very clear to me that Ubuntu did not respect user choice like it used to, so i migrated off of it.
Smart move 👍.
Out of curiosity, what do you use now? LMDE?
I bounced around to Debain and opensuse tumbleweed, but landed on pop-os. Ubuntu without snap nonsense, optional i3 tiling manager implementation, “just works.”
For the server side, ive moved to Debian. Nothing lost at all.
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When was it though, the ads and that lens could be removed easily. And there’s no
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Isn’t Linux mint an Ubuntu fork? That gets recommended to tons of people who seek an entrance into the Linux world. Is it as bad as Ubuntu?
It is a fork, meaning its like ubuntu but with the bullshit that makes ubuntu bad removed. It is completly safe but if you wanna stay clear of any trace of ubuntu at all there is also a debian based version of mint
Debian Mint is the way to go now for entry in Linux if you ask me.
LMDE and PopOS are my consistent recommendations to newcomers. If one doesn’t work, the other will.
I would recommend only community maintained distros at this point… seing as how RH and Canonical went to the dark side for some things, I’d rather not recommend something maintaned by a company.
Why would Ubuntu be worse than any other distro?
Prove it!
Uhh… sudo don’t shoot me?
Beginner here, what is so bad about Ubuntu? I put it on a laptop this weekend and was running and installing software faster than any Windows install I have ever done. Firefox runs fine, the Mozilla email program hooked right up with my ancient Yahoo account. Blender runs like a scalded dog. Cura and prusa run good enough. I’m arguing with Muse and Ardour a bit but expected that. Spotify runs. I’m having a good first experience. So why the hate?
They push their own things on it, like Snaps, which is not an open source standard. Plus they are a subscription based distro now, like RHEL.
You can get the same with a lot less bloat with LMDE. Try it, I’m sure you’ll like it.
Ubuntu is just Windows in Tux’ clothing
I guess I should have just kept using windows then.
Yep.
Edit: BTW
That may be a wiser choice if you have trouble using certain things that are native to Windows. Use the right tools for the right job.
Harsh
But true
…based on what criteria? Lol
Bad track record with their privacy invasion via their Amazon shenanigans (which Richard Stallman called the Ubuntu Spyware), the shilling of Ubuntu One cloud and now Ubuntu Pro subscriptions that are reminiscent of Microsoft’s shilling of Microsoft accounts and OneDrive, Snap telemetry…
Fair enough. I guess it depends how you look at it. I was thinking in terms of UX, in which case it’d be Mint Cinnamon or anything running KDE Plasma that’d be the Windows of the Linux world.
Aren’t they partially founded by Microsoft?
Microsoft has a seat at the linux foundation.
But were they granted the rank of master?
microsoft is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
To WHOM?!
root’s local mailbox
