It appears to work fine (it contains my home partition for my main machine I daily drive) and I haven’t noticed signs of failure. Not noticeably slow either. I used to boot Windows off of it once upon a time which was incredibly slow to start up, but I haven’t noticed slowness since using it for my home partition for my personal files.
Articles online seem to suggest the life expectancy for an HDD is 5–7 years. Should I be worried? How do I know when to get a new drive?
- Follow the 3 - 2 - 1 backup rule.
- You can use SMART to see the health of your drive.
Have backups, follow the 3-2-1 rule.
All drives fail, at any time, and you will eventually lose data if you don’t have good backups in place.
There are only. 2 kinds of people:
- Those who have lost data
- Those who will lose data.
Plan accordingly
I had an external HDD that I was using for years. Some of that time it was attached to a Server basically running 24/7 definitely dropped that thing a couple of times. That HDD has been out of use for years now but I’m sure I could just plug it in tomorrow and it would spin up fine. HDDs can last forever untill they don’t.
So Backups! And don’t worry about the rest.
Also as others said if you’re interested how long and hard it’s actually been working check out the smart data if there are any fail criteria you might wanna get a new one just to avoid restoring from Backup but if all’s green just let it keep chugging until it doesn’t and remember Backups!
If you don’t have backups then yes you should be worried.
Same goes for any storage.
of any age. brand new disks fail too.
As long as you have multiple backups of your data, you shouldn’t be concerned. HDDs as well as SDDs can potentially fail at any given time.
The key is to have more than one backup. You shouldn#t rely on only one backup alone.
a HDD can fail at any given time. It could fail within a week of buying it, could last over a decade.
What I’m saying is, if you have data you don’t want to lose, yes you should be worried. Keeping backups is the only safe option.
Don’t forget to scrub and checksum your drive before making backups. You don’t want to copy over rotten bits.
Same goes for the backup. And the backup’s backup.
Don’t forget to scrub and checksum your drive
What is the process for doing this?
Use a modern filesystem that manages file integrity for you.
I use btrfs.
Lol, so the process is “go back in time and change how you initially formatted the drive”. Come on man.
Good knowledge for setting up new drives though.
Well, sure. If you did it wrong the first time around. For everyone else, just run “btrfs scrub <device>”
how can i do it on ntfs and ext4?
Use btrfs-convert to convert ext4 to btrfs.
NTFS is 31 years old and not modern by any standard. Avoid if you care about your data.
Always make sure that important files and folders are backed up at least twice! Even when drives are new, they can and do fail at random without warning. My HDD’s are the better half of a decade old and I had no issue with them at all until last year. They’re now starting to experience random corruptions that will sometimes compromise entire folders.
I’ve not responded to the majority of comments in this thread because I’d have nothing to add except “thanks”, but here:
They’re now starting to experience random corruptions that will sometimes compromise entire folders.
Er why haven’t you bought new drives at that point??
Er why haven’t you bought new drives at that point??
There’s different ways to arrange data on multiple physical drives. One group of ways is called RAID. One specific type of RAID is called RAID5. And, one can have 3 or more drives in the RAID5 array.
I’ve 3 drives, each 2TB. In RAID5 I only get 4TB of effective storage (not 6TB). If any one of my 3 physical drives fails, the array preserves all data and continues to operate at a slower speed. The failed drive can be replaced, a rebuilding process performed, and performance restored. If a second drive fails then data is lost and the array stops working. But, even then, new drives can be purchased and data restored from backup.
In a business we never want unplanned downtime because it’s costly. We’d be replace hard drives before they fail on a schedule we choose: planned downtime when no one is working. But, at home, particularly with backups, unplanned downtime often isn’t very costly. We can keep using our old hardware, maximizing its value, until it fails entirely.
I’m gonna buy a new computer when this one inevitably refuses to boot up 🤷♀️ there’s more age related issues besides just the HDD’s at this point so it’ll be less hassle to start over.
I’ve not responded to the majority of comments in this thread because I’d have nothing to add except “thanks”, but here:
They’re now starting to experience random corruptions that will sometimes compromise entire folders.
Er why haven’t you bought new drives at that point??
I’ve not responded to the majority of comments in this thread because I’d have nothing to add except “thanks”, but here:
They’re now starting to experience random corruptions that will sometimes compromise entire folders.
Er why haven’t you bought new drives at that point??
As others have said, you don’t have to be concerned about anything if you keep good backups. Disk storage at this time is very cheap compared to what it used to be, you could probably find a 5200 RPM 5 TB disk for ~100 dollars USD, or even better, two 2 TB disks which you could configure with software RAID.
Hdd can live a long and happy life, but absolutely don’t trust a single drive ever, independently of how rugged, old or expensive it is.
My main hard drive lasted 5 years with 1 year of power on hours, working fine and suddenly failed. It was a good fail because I was able to get all the data from it, but it took almost one month for how slow it was.
Always assume your data storage is going to die tomorrow and be ready to replace it.
don’t trust a sibgle drive
sibgle?
Edit: oh I see the edit now. “single” is what it meant. I couldn’t figure that out at the time. Shitty to be downvoted for asking a question.
2 of my main system drives have been powered on for 5 and 7 years respectively and are therefore much older.
Just don’t wait for them to start clicking before thinking about backups.
Always assume your data is in N-1 places at all times.
Any drive can and will fail at any time, no matter how well it was working yesterday.
I’ve had people in with their entire PhD and years of research on one single drive, with no backup - just gone.
If your data is only in one place, it will be in zero places soon enough.
Disposable or replaceable data - which honestly is going to be 90% of your stuff - meh.
But anything that you need and couldn’t replace, that shit needs backing up to AT LEAST one other place.
As for the rest - drives can fail slowly, or they can fail fast. When they fail slowly, you start getting a couple of disk errors here and there, and you may just be able to order one in time to replace it.
When they fail fast, they just drop like a heart attack.
There’s no way to know in advance. If your data is safe, then you’ll either be out a few days while a replacement arrives, or you’ll be just about able to copy stuff across. At that age, I wouldn’t trust it farther than I could spit it. It could work fine for years more, but the moment you rely on it for something important, it’ll give out on you.
I had a drive fail two days after purchase. I had just copied all my data to it and erased my primary drive to copy everything back and clean it up. I spent (rather, my father spent (I was barely an adult and he helped me out)) ~$3000 for data recovery) to get everything back. Despite recovery, the experience caused me depression at how fragile my digital life was.
Storage is comparatively cheap compared to at that time. I was depressed because I was young and not making much money and storage was expensive. I could hardly afford to pay to protect my data. It’s much easier to do so now.
Have multiple backups. Have one be offsite in case of natural disaster. I mailed an external drive of all the music I’d made on my computer to a family member in another state. Cover your ass.
If you can afford to eat out on occasion, you can save enough to protect your data. Backblaze is currently $9 / month. It’s stupid-cheap. An external disk and some open source backup software is stupid-cheap. Run both and you have your data in three places: source, external, cloud.
I have old 500 gb drives from 2009 that i ripped out of beaten laptops still working 24/7 and i’ve had new drives grenade themselfs two weeks in use, there are too many factors to properly gauge how long of a life a drive has, the best option is to have backups, even something as simple as a copy on a flash drive is better than nothing.
I get people saying follow the 3-2-1 rule, but there are places like mine where storage is prohibitively expensive, so just do what you can, anything is better than nothing in this cases.
I’ve got a 300gb WD velociraptor 10k rpm model that has been running almost non stop in every computer I have built for the last 20 years. I only use it as an extension of my steam library though so when it does die I won’t lose anything.
