It’s actually nice they have underscore. 😀
Yes because if you choose 8 characters at random, with 25 small + 25 big letters and 10 numeric, it* only 60^8
= 167,961,600,000,000 combinations.
I think the problem is more if the system allows brute force with thousands of erroneous attempts.
Then statistically any hacker can attempt several accounts, and ultimately get lucky. But by all means, put the responsibility to the user, users are the experts right!?
I never got the frantic excessive entropy mindset, when the problem is much simpler to not allow crackers endless attempts. You can allow 50 attempts, and chances would be very slim to guess even pretty moronic passwords.
What’s even worse is when they REQUIRE big and small and numbers to maximize entropy, they actually make statistically FEWER attempts necessary to brute force it.
A standard Microsoft introduced in the 90’s, and FUCKING almost everybody is using, despite it’s a 100% moronic requirement.
Instead just warn against passwords that can be guessed by logic, or can be found in a dictionary.
Most websites don’t allow multiple failed logins and, even if they did, the network latency alone would make brute force attacks useless. The point of having a high entropy password is to protect against hackers brute forcing a leaked database of hashes. Having different passwords for every website also protects against this so, as usual, the answer is “just use a password manager”.
I will never do that, I have a system instead. I never understood why people would want to use a password manager. To me it seems it ads an attack vector, where you could lose EVERYTHING!
Passwords suck as an authentication system in general. Your own system is probably worse than what password managers do. Yes, there are problems, but so does every other solution to this, and password managers win out in the comparison.
Your own system is probably worse than what password managers do.
How so? If you use a password manager across 3 platforms, that makes for 3 attack vectors.
My personal system has guaranteed no vulnerabilities. So how do you conclude my system is worse?
Yeah, that’s going to be a terrible system. The human brain isn’t capable of keeping track of enough entropy to create a secure password system.
More generally, it’s a big red flag when anybody thinks they can make a better system than publicly available and verified systems. You’re not capable of that, I’m not capable of that, Bruce Schneier is not capable of that. No matter how smart you are, you missed something. That’s why I didn’t need to know a single detail.
I guarantee your system is less secure than the worst password manager. Humans are inherently bad at choosing passwords, or anything to do with randomness really.
It’s actually nice they have underscore. 😀
Yes because if you choose 8 characters at random, with 25 small + 25 big letters and 10 numeric, it* only 60^8 = 167,961,600,000,000 combinations.
I think the problem is more if the system allows brute force with thousands of erroneous attempts.
Then statistically any hacker can attempt several accounts, and ultimately get lucky. But by all means, put the responsibility to the user, users are the experts right!?
I never got the frantic excessive entropy mindset, when the problem is much simpler to not allow crackers endless attempts. You can allow 50 attempts, and chances would be very slim to guess even pretty moronic passwords.
What’s even worse is when they REQUIRE big and small and numbers to maximize entropy, they actually make statistically FEWER attempts necessary to brute force it.
A standard Microsoft introduced in the 90’s, and FUCKING almost everybody is using, despite it’s a 100% moronic requirement.
Instead just warn against passwords that can be guessed by logic, or can be found in a dictionary.
Most websites don’t allow multiple failed logins and, even if they did, the network latency alone would make brute force attacks useless. The point of having a high entropy password is to protect against hackers brute forcing a leaked database of hashes. Having different passwords for every website also protects against this so, as usual, the answer is “just use a password manager”.
I don’t think you need to worry about that in this case, the special character restriction suggests to me that they don’t hash it.
Seems a bit stupid if a database of passwords or other sensitive information can be brute forced.
Please clarify what you mean because your comment is giving me these vibes.
I will never do that, I have a system instead. I never understood why people would want to use a password manager. To me it seems it ads an attack vector, where you could lose EVERYTHING!
Passwords suck as an authentication system in general. Your own system is probably worse than what password managers do. Yes, there are problems, but so does every other solution to this, and password managers win out in the comparison.
How so? If you use a password manager across 3 platforms, that makes for 3 attack vectors.
My personal system has guaranteed no vulnerabilities. So how do you conclude my system is worse?
If you think that’s true, then you don’t have the experience to make a secure system.
What? What kind of system do you think I have? The only vulnerability is if they can hack my brain.
Yeah, that’s going to be a terrible system. The human brain isn’t capable of keeping track of enough entropy to create a secure password system.
More generally, it’s a big red flag when anybody thinks they can make a better system than publicly available and verified systems. You’re not capable of that, I’m not capable of that, Bruce Schneier is not capable of that. No matter how smart you are, you missed something. That’s why I didn’t need to know a single detail.
I guarantee your system is less secure than the worst password manager. Humans are inherently bad at choosing passwords, or anything to do with randomness really.
what’s an example of password that can be guessed by logic?
Something that can possibly be deduced knowing personal information, like a birth date.
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