• frezik@midwest.social
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    1 day ago

    Passwords suck as an authentication system in general. Your own system is probably worse than what password managers do. Yes, there are problems, but so does every other solution to this, and password managers win out in the comparison.

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      1 day ago

      Your own system is probably worse than what password managers do.

      How so? If you use a password manager across 3 platforms, that makes for 3 attack vectors.
      My personal system has guaranteed no vulnerabilities. So how do you conclude my system is worse?

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        1 day ago

        My personal system has guaranteed no vulnerabilities

        If you think that’s true, then you don’t have the experience to make a secure system.

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          What? What kind of system do you think I have? The only vulnerability is if they can hack my brain.

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            21 hours ago

            Yeah, that’s going to be a terrible system. The human brain isn’t capable of keeping track of enough entropy to create a secure password system.

            More generally, it’s a big red flag when anybody thinks they can make a better system than publicly available and verified systems. You’re not capable of that, I’m not capable of that, Bruce Schneier is not capable of that. No matter how smart you are, you missed something. That’s why I didn’t need to know a single detail.

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              7 hours ago

              he human brain isn’t capable of keeping track of enough entropy to create a secure password system.

              What an idiotic argument, the level of entropy comes from the rules first and foremost, putting a 1 and an A together is the exact same entropy as using 2 and B. Randomizing it one way instead of another doesn’t change entropy much.

              More generally, it’s a big red flag when anybody thinks they can make a better system than publicly available and verified systems.

              You completely fail to understand the argument. I’m not arguing my passwords are stronger, I’m arguing they are SAFER! because they are not stored on any system, much less 3 different systems, one of which could theoretically have a vulnerability.

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                7 hours ago

                What an idiotic argument, the level of entropy comes from the rules first and foremost, putting a 1 and an A together is the exact same entropy as using 2 and B.

                Oh dear, no. You cannot match a cryptographic (P)RNG for generating passwords. Not even close.

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                  7 hours ago

                  True, my argument is that in practice it doesn’t matter. How many passwords of REASONABLE strength are brute forced? Opposed to how many are lifted from services with lacking security?

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                    7 hours ago

                    Quite a few. Data dumps of passwords from sites can be from sites that used full hashing. If you used a fully random password of at least 20 characters, even unsalted md5 storage would be unbreakable.