You don’t even have to. Most the time they’ll take whatever innocent topic/comment at had and somehow twist it into Russia/China Good, America/West bad.
Sometimes they delete them silently and purge the mod log. I received a message from an admin once telling me that they don’t know how, but somehow another admin had hidden my comment from everyone else without notifying me that it had been removed, and purged the logs. I could still see it, but nobody else could.
hexbear is a circle jerk of neo tankie ass shittery.
If you show up in hexbear, and say literally anything moderately outside the scope of discussion you cop an immediate ban and get told to kys by like 12 people in about 12 seconds.
world is better, there’s a lot more normies there. They’ll also generally talk with you rather then telling you to kys even if they yell at you while doing it.
I’ve seen one of their users say it’s ok for middle eastern countries to oppress LGBTQ people in an LGBTQ community. Haven’t seen much else from there because that’s when I decided the ml instances were more trouble than their worth and blocked them.
Communism is explicitly an economic framework. “Tankie” defines authoritarians who believe in the Communist economic framework. That leaves a lot of room for all other sorts of Communists.
You know, that would be a worthwhile discussion to have; but that hinges on the mods not banning and removing the comments of anyone with a critical perspective. As of now, this is not possible on lemmy.ml.
Tankie was coined by trotskyists to insult a slightly different kind of Leninist. Then anarchists picked it up and started calling trotskyists tankies. Now liberals call anarchists tankies. It’s the circle of life, in a few years if you say tankie people will assume you’re talking about Kamala Harris.
i thought tankie was universally accepted to just be a russia dick sucker but also commie. Why would this ever be applied to anarchists? That’s so vastly different i couldn’t see a world where that would even make sense.
From a liberal perspective what’s the difference between MLs having “critical support” for the Soviets or China and anarchists celebrating historical anarchists like Makhno and the CNT-FAI who burned churches and killed kulaks too? If anarchists are online supporting US foreign policy then liberals can assume you’re just a liberal and any claimed anarchism is just larping, but if anybody throws a brick through a Starbucks window that’s tankie authoritarianism stealing rights and freedoms from the Starbucks shareholders.
the most obvious difference is that the soviet union and china are massive government entities.
Most anarchists don’t really give a shit about much outside of the general tenants of anarchist structure. I for example like it because it’s like libertarianism but if it wasn’t stupid, and it’s also equally as much of a shitpost. Personally i believe anarchy is the state of government between two significant governmental entities, i don’t believe that anarchy holds a true state of power, merely an independent one.
I think that’s where its strength lies, it can be extremely decentralized and extremely productive when correctly utilized. It can very quickly spring up where needed, and very quickly break down when something more complete shows up to the party. It’s a lot more relevant on the individual to individual basis, as opposed to governments which often tend to overreach or extend past what they realistically should be doing. So it’s a nice stand in in that regard.
one thing i’ve noticed, is that a lot of “tankies” will be kind of, stupid for lack of a nicer term, they might believe that the russian government is the best, or the russian military is the strongest in the world for example. Which is not only silly, but arguably wrong. Anarchists don’t generally do this kind of thing. We’re a lot less directly ingrained with these sorts of power structures on a fundamental level.
Granted a lot of us are political active, as is the norm for political types, like i said we aren’t extremely attached to any one thing. I’m sure there are people in my instance who would disagree with what i’ve said, but that’s part of anarchism IMO. It doesn’t really ascribe anything in particular.
you can also look into this instance specifically, as it’s anarchy adjacent. There’s some fun stuff over here.
In my experience you can’t have one without the other. To be a communist you need to completely ignore the issues with it. Communism isn’t successful without prohibiting the spread of information. Even then it breaks down after a few decades. It is more about hiding the state of things and crushing descent.
I’m far from a noted communist and I’m pretty sure none of those things are definitionally related to communism. Why would a diminishing of public property necessitate prohibiting the spread of information?
I’ve had comments deleted that ran against the grain at .ml, even when they were adequately sourced. I don’t think the instance is necessarily objectionable, but the mods will object to things they don’t want to hear.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a comment deleted there, but I blocked the instance anyway. Life is too short to engage with people whose values are entirely antithetical to my own. At least not on their home turf.
I haven’t found Lemmy.ml to be all that objectionable. It’s not like they are hexbear.
Try criticizing China’s government on one of their posts.
You don’t even have to. Most the time they’ll take whatever innocent topic/comment at had and somehow twist it into Russia/China Good, America/West bad.
They would never do that in China.
Sometimes they delete them silently and purge the mod log. I received a message from an admin once telling me that they don’t know how, but somehow another admin had hidden my comment from everyone else without notifying me that it had been removed, and purged the logs. I could still see it, but nobody else could.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
We’ve always been at war with Ba Sing Se.
They can do that?
I’ll have you know that China is the greatest nation on earth.
Those people totally deserved to be silenced, jailed or killed. The Chinese government is the one trustworthy source of truth. Reality it mistaken.
Your Honor, I rest my case.
Criticizing the Chinese government is xenophobia! Straight to the gulag.
Happy cake day !
They’re not as bad as Hexbear, sure, but they’re constantly turning everything into a political discussion.
After spending a bit of time on communities based on their instance, you just get so sick of hearing about it.
Hexbear are vile, ML are just annoying.
Why are they vile?
hexbear is a circle jerk of neo tankie ass shittery.
If you show up in hexbear, and say literally anything moderately outside the scope of discussion you cop an immediate ban and get told to kys by like 12 people in about 12 seconds.
That was my experience at least.
Just like world?
world is better, there’s a lot more normies there. They’ll also generally talk with you rather then telling you to kys even if they yell at you while doing it.
I appreciate that part.
Go visit and see for yourself.
So no actual reason just continuing the rumor?
It would be extremely easy for you to pop in and see for yourself, if you don’t want to take my word for it.
I’ve seen one of their users say it’s ok for middle eastern countries to oppress LGBTQ people in an LGBTQ community. Haven’t seen much else from there because that’s when I decided the ml instances were more trouble than their worth and blocked them.
Wait until you see there thoughts on the evils of the west. They spout out propaganda and don’t do a lot of free thinking.
Not to say that regurgitated propaganda is unique to communism but it certainly is very common. It is the cold war way of thinking.
No they are tankies. I got banned from the comics sub for criticizing a comic that gave a, to put it nicely, very one sided perspective on communism.
Communist != Tankie.
Communism is explicitly an economic framework. “Tankie” defines authoritarians who believe in the Communist economic framework. That leaves a lot of room for all other sorts of Communists.
True, but only tankies remove/ban you if you’re even mildly critical of China or Russia
Yes, we know. .ml are authoritarian boot suckers.
You know, that would be a worthwhile discussion to have; but that hinges on the mods not banning and removing the comments of anyone with a critical perspective. As of now, this is not possible on lemmy.ml.
Also doesn’t seem possible on world
Tankie was coined by trotskyists to insult a slightly different kind of Leninist. Then anarchists picked it up and started calling trotskyists tankies. Now liberals call anarchists tankies. It’s the circle of life, in a few years if you say tankie people will assume you’re talking about Kamala Harris.
i thought tankie was universally accepted to just be a russia dick sucker but also commie. Why would this ever be applied to anarchists? That’s so vastly different i couldn’t see a world where that would even make sense.
From a liberal perspective what’s the difference between MLs having “critical support” for the Soviets or China and anarchists celebrating historical anarchists like Makhno and the CNT-FAI who burned churches and killed kulaks too? If anarchists are online supporting US foreign policy then liberals can assume you’re just a liberal and any claimed anarchism is just larping, but if anybody throws a brick through a Starbucks window that’s tankie authoritarianism stealing rights and freedoms from the Starbucks shareholders.
the most obvious difference is that the soviet union and china are massive government entities.
Most anarchists don’t really give a shit about much outside of the general tenants of anarchist structure. I for example like it because it’s like libertarianism but if it wasn’t stupid, and it’s also equally as much of a shitpost. Personally i believe anarchy is the state of government between two significant governmental entities, i don’t believe that anarchy holds a true state of power, merely an independent one.
I think that’s where its strength lies, it can be extremely decentralized and extremely productive when correctly utilized. It can very quickly spring up where needed, and very quickly break down when something more complete shows up to the party. It’s a lot more relevant on the individual to individual basis, as opposed to governments which often tend to overreach or extend past what they realistically should be doing. So it’s a nice stand in in that regard.
one thing i’ve noticed, is that a lot of “tankies” will be kind of, stupid for lack of a nicer term, they might believe that the russian government is the best, or the russian military is the strongest in the world for example. Which is not only silly, but arguably wrong. Anarchists don’t generally do this kind of thing. We’re a lot less directly ingrained with these sorts of power structures on a fundamental level.
Granted a lot of us are political active, as is the norm for political types, like i said we aren’t extremely attached to any one thing. I’m sure there are people in my instance who would disagree with what i’ve said, but that’s part of anarchism IMO. It doesn’t really ascribe anything in particular.
you can also look into this instance specifically, as it’s anarchy adjacent. There’s some fun stuff over here.
This is true if you ignore what words mean
Too most on world tankie just means someone I don’t like
In my experience you can’t have one without the other. To be a communist you need to completely ignore the issues with it. Communism isn’t successful without prohibiting the spread of information. Even then it breaks down after a few decades. It is more about hiding the state of things and crushing descent.
I’m far from a noted communist and I’m pretty sure none of those things are definitionally related to communism. Why would a diminishing of public property necessitate prohibiting the spread of information?
I’ve had comments deleted that ran against the grain at .ml, even when they were adequately sourced. I don’t think the instance is necessarily objectionable, but the mods will object to things they don’t want to hear.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a comment deleted there, but I blocked the instance anyway. Life is too short to engage with people whose values are entirely antithetical to my own. At least not on their home turf.
stick to the linux subs and you’ll be ok over there. As soon as politics comes up, they go full tankie.
In fairness they probably find the Lemmy.world politics subs equally as divisive.
I stick clear of politics on Lemmy all together unless I really can’t hold my tongue
As long as your sick to non political or historical communities, they are tolerable. Any deviation from above and you might as well be on hexbear.
So then why not just block those subs?
I did block entire hexbear and specific communities on ml. I just meant subjects in general.
Hex-bear is the reason I’m on Lemmy.world. That’s why I think people are overblowing the .ML drama.
You want to see tankies? Look at Hexbear
It is definitely worse on hexbear. However, if you look at the top posts on Lemmy.ml it is pretty bad.
This post pretty much sums up my problems with .ml
Just an example of mod tools in action…
Why do you love genocide?
Even Hexbear has interesting content sometimes. Also, they have great stickers.
I don’t get this animosity between instances. That’s why I’m on lemm.ee: it feels like the capibara instance.
Check the mod logs from the shit communities there. They will full on ban you just for having a liberal perspective.
That place is hot garbage.