Stop using chrome. Absolute cancer of a browser
Chrome is fine. It’s Google what’s evil.
Chrome IS Google.
I feel like I’ve been forced to switch a lot of my default applications lately based on shitty decisions from tone deaf companies. I guess I’m going to move from Brave to Firefox finally.
Moving browsers used to be moved the webpages now…it’s a massive deal now.
Made the switch recently myself and can never look back. Being able to install custom add-ons on mobile is a huge plus to me
Why did you chose Brave to begin with? Serious question, not being snarky. I tried it for a day and it just didn’t compete with Firefox + uBlock Origin in any meaningful way. I don’t see the appeal of bundling advanced security and filtering tools with the browser, it’s better if they’re separate entities, keeps everyone honest.
I’ve taught multiple people in my life to use brave. The vast majority of end users simply can’t be bothered to install a plugin or understand how to manage it when a site breaks. Brave makes it just a little more intuitive for them and means less IT calls for me. Firefox with ublock is what I personally use. Brave is what my family uses.
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Never heard anything bad about brave privacy, you got sources?
I think this is what has recently turned people against them: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/brave-browser-under-fire-for-alleged-sale-of-copyrighted-data/491854/#:~:text=Brave is alleged to sell,transparency in the tech industry.
They also in the past got caught using affiliate links with crypto URLs which gave brave kickbacks. Scumbag shit. If you want actual hardened browsing forget brave or anything chromium based. Use librewolf which is a forked version of Firefox. Mull if you’re on F-Droid.
Sauce: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-affiliate-links-crypto-privacy-ceo-apology
^^^ absolutely.
If this DRM can force you to use Chromium to display a webpage or content, that would be the most anticompetitive thing in recent times, and would absolutely not fly.
That’s why they want to make it a web standard, so they can just blame Firefox and others for not following the standard and avoid EU fines.
That’s what Microsoft did with their office document standard.
I have limited understanding of the technical side of this issue, but based on this comment, this sounds like a brilliant move by Google - Don’t like the rules of the game, change the game…
Edit: for clarification, this comment was very tongue in cheek - I don’t support Google, this was just an acknowledgement of a smart business play.
We need to stop this capitalist brainrot. It’s not a smart business move; a smart business move would be one where everyone wins. This is a lazy and evil move designed for pure extraction of value and coercion of compliance.
Live the way we want you to (and we take 30% off the top!)
`I mean, yes, agreed. But this is literally how businesses operate - stay ahead of governments, or change the game so govts are onboard (as regulation regularly trails behind business). A genuinely smart business move would obviously be preferable, but the modern history of megacorps is not exactly a shining beacon of benevolence to the ppl. It should be, but gestures wildly at everything
Edit: exchanged “always” for “regularly”
the modern history of megacorps is not exactly a shining beacon of benevolence to the ppl
I mean, yes, agreed. But why does anyone think that that’s ok?
Yeah, the sad thing here is that if Apple comply, it will basically become a standard and there’s nothing that Firefox or anything else can do about it. If they can get it on iPhone, it’s game over. Half the web will be blocked unless you agree to see adverts.
I doubt they will.
Apple already has the Private Access Tokens that Cloudflare has been working on making into a standard, primarily for skipping captchas. Google doesn’t like those because they are too private.
Good thing Google is not a recognized standards body
Extremely common Firefox W
One just has to wonder… how evil can Google become?!
Have slowly been switching to Firefox for a couple of months, but the DRM proposal has gotten me to fully switch.
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Edge’s left sidebar vertical tabs has ruined me. Plz add this Mozilla, and I’m all in on Foxy Fox
Sidebery is a saviour for me and very likely you too. I’ve got 1500 tabs just lying there in my sidebar, inactive and neatly grouped together!
I just can’t stand the sidebar. Would be nice if they would get native grouping (again, they had grouping for years and removed it) and vertical tabs like pretty much every browser has been integrating now.
If this goes through. Will Google become a browser monopoly and (hopefully) get sued
Apple already implemented something similar on safari that flew under the radar, so the browser/mobile duopoly cartel is still working.
Do you have any more details on this?
Worth noting Cloudflare hasn’t just integrated it as mentioned in the blog, they are the primary ones working on the standard.
Can someone explain to me the google API and DRM situation in stupid people terms? I’m stupidly tech illiterate but I know that this is a big deal and I would like to understand
Sure thing. With this current proposal, when you visit a website, the site asks your browser if you’re willing to display it as intended, basically with all and any adverts. If the answer is no, then you can’t see the content, if the answer is yes, then you’re likely using Chrome or a Chromium based browser and Google can guarantee more ad impressions, because they’re first and foremost an advert selling company.
What about replying yes, then blocking ads?
Your device would return a signature to say that there’s no adblocking software on the device.
And that signature can’t be spoofed? Or the browser can’t be sandboxed and quarantined so it is made unaware of such software, and the software applied retroactively?
People will always find a workaround, look at rooting of phones for example. But they shouldn’t have to. I mean look at how banking apps refuse to work on rooted phones but work in a browser on your desktop without any issues. It will be the same with this. Your device is rooted, we can’t show you this webpage.
I may not be 100% right, as I haven’t looked at it in detail, but I think it’s even a bit more than that. Since the way that’s proven is by the browser vendor signing the request (I assume with an HTTP header or something), you could also verify it’s from a specific vendor. So even if Mozilla says, yes, we’ll display your ads, a website could still lock down to Chrome. It would probably also significantly hamper new browsers, and browsers with a security/anti-ad focus, as they won’t be recognised by major websites that use the new protocol until they have market share, which they won’t get if they don’t have access to major websites.
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A) Maybe not you, maybe not me or anyone else here, but 99.99% of the rest of the world? And when the rest leave, is Mozilla really going to be able to justify maintaining a browser for those that remain? B) There might not be a website that would do it, but what about if practically all websites with any corporate backing did it?
This is the fundamental point that so many techies fail to get. Saying “I’ll be fine, I’ll do X” is irrelevant. If nobody’s doing what you want to do, then eventually you won’t be able to do it either.
If I’m still using degoogled chromium… Am I still supporting Google? :(
Yes. You’re still giving a Chromium based browser market share. Pretty much the only non Chromium browser is Firefox
Well yes: it’s essentially Chromium, which the majority of code comes from Google
What about brave? Yes its Chromium based as every browser except firefox, but modified
Yes, it is still chromium.
In statistics, Brave counts as chromium.
@fatalicus @disconnectikacio I use ungoogled-chromium.
Which is still chromium, just removed any dependencies on google.
Google makes Chromium, and enev “ungoogled-chromium” will register as chromium in statistics.
That is what this thread of comments started with…
@fatalicus but isn’t the ungoogled version better ?
Fucking US and all their shitty companies. literally a big FU
same feel man: too much american shitty companies (especilaly software companies)
Based and actual freedom pilled
