CyborgMarx [any, any]

Honestly dude if I lost a debate as hard as you did I wouldn’t be spouting this psychobabble diarrhea

“you believe in stuff and that’s bad cause I don’t believe in anything” is never the place you want to be in a discussion, you basically admitted you have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about and because your opponent does that somehow makes them mentally ill???

Seriously get a grip

Capitalism in it’s true form was “I give you this, you give me that”

So you believe capitalism existed all the way back during the neolithic and beyond, were cavemen “true capitalists”? Capital isn’t a set of goods simply traded between people, it’s circulating money tied to productive property or alienated assets

Primitive exchange of goods requires the goods becoming the means and the ends even if money is an intermediary, under capitalism it’s capital (i.e. money) that becomes the end, while goods may or may not be the means of generation, and since money is the sole metric of success there must a set of people who work for capitalists to create that money and reproduce themselves, since goods are hidden behind said money

Real “Innocence proves nothing” hours

“Reading comprehension” is when you accept everything you read at face value, I’m not really surprised that’s something you believe

Ok so a tankie is anyone who questions the baseless assertions of western regimes, the truth isn’t actaully important to you, what matters is whether someone upholds obvious falsehoods and reinforces state propaganda but from the west

Got ya buddy

No it hasn’t, socialist agitation in the teeth of capitalist opposition did that

Without it westerners would still be working 16 hour days seven days a week without any safety nets while dying of lead poisoning

What’s a tankie?

That’s because you dont know what capitalism or socialism is

lmao I expected as much, like a fart in the wind they’re gone

Yeah you keep telling yourself that horseshit, just ignore the fact the admins flatly said we were banned for “inciting violence” in the form of “KIll all slaveowners”

Also “brigading” that’s an interesting word, is that what you’re doing right now?

You claim to know something about Marx, ok let’s test that knowledge of yours with the simplest possible question

According to Marx what are the sources of capitalist profit?

??? You literally didn’t know what Title 42 was, and you were spreading poorly researched misinformation about an important issue, also “less than human to you” ??? bro we’re debating on an Internet forum chill out

Nah you have someone with a political science degree and a minor in econ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWxn4mrNJxQ

Also because the Biden admin could no longer sustain the use of Title 42 because of the lifting of the final covid restrictions, they now are reviving an older and even worse Trump policy for the border

The Biden administration is now turning away anyone seeking asylum who didn’t first seek protection in a country they traveled through, or first applied online. This is a version of a Trump administration policy that was overturned by the courts. Advocacy groups sued to block the new rule minutes before it took effect.

The lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco by the Center for Gender & Refugee Studies and other groups, alleges the Biden administration “doubled down” on the policy proposed by Trump that the same court rejected. The Biden administration has said its new rule is substantially different.

And predictably, deportations have ramped up since Title 42 lifted back in May

According to the Department of Homeland Security, about 85,000 migrants have been “repatriated” since Title 42 was lifted. That’s up 65% since the same period last year, which saw 51,246. During the same period the previous year, there were 33,087 repatriations, according to it.

That’s just three months

He didn’t even know about Title 42 and its use by the biden admin to deport twice as many people as Trump, I doubt he has informed opinions on police funding and strike breaking lmao

Try again, you’re simply counting arrests and deportations, I’m talking about Title 42 which was also Trump’s primary deportation method

“Given the grave harm that the Title 42 policy inflicts on desperate, asylum-seeking families, and the public health community’s view that the policy is not necessary, we would have hoped the administration would simply accept the ruling, especially given its repeated claim that it wants to distance itself from the Trump administration’s asylum practices,” said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s immigrant rights project.

Customs and Border Protection said 25% of the 209,000 people it encountered in August had been stopped at least once over the previous year, compared with 14% in earlier years.

Hmmm funny how numbers change when you account for all avenues of abuse

What you MIGHT have misunderstood is that the number of border crossings have gone up dramatically under Biden, likely because he’s against the draconian and horrific policies of his predecessor. More border crossings than ever. Fewer deportations than ever. Whatever your opinion is of that, your claim was wrong.

Nope incorrect

The “expedited removal” process is one where asylum seekers are quickly denied entry based on a brief interview process with Border Patrol officers who have the final say on whether a migrant has a “credible fear” of returning to their countries of origin. With “expedited removal,” migrants are deported without a hearing or appearance before a judge–in effect, without due process.

During his four-year term, Trump used Title 42 to remove 500,000 asylum seekers. In under a year, Biden has deported almost 700,000 migrants.

That was a year and half ago, and before the Biden admin intensified the deportations of Haitians especially

the weekend show U.S. Border Patrol agents on horseback violently grabbing Haitian migrants attempting to join the Del Rio encampment. This, the Biden administration claims, is in the name of safety: The mass deportations have been authorized under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Title 42, which enables expedited deportations in the name of public health during the Covid-19 pandemic. Under Trump, nearly half a million people were removed under the law; the Biden administration has already used it to deport nearly 700,000.

Its use against migrants at the southern border sends a clear and vile message as to whom the U.S. deems to be the public, deserving of health and safety. Under Title 42 — in the name of safety, that is — those being rounded up and flown to Haiti were given no option to apply for asylum or temporary protection status.

It is worth emphasizing, too, that the majority of deportees have not lived in Haiti for many years, having left to find work in South America after a catastrophic hurricane devastated their home country in 2010. Struggling to find enough work to survive in South America, thousands risked perilous journeys to the U.S. border, only to be summarily removed — to Haiti.

Next time before you put on the lib tinted glasses, don’t just look for sources that only count ONE method of deportation and immigrant abuse, count them all, also you used Cato.org, straight up a right wing source lmao

Minneapolis May 28, 2020

Direct action is meaningless if you’re hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power

The US isn’t a democracy, you can’t build coalitions with people who want to destroy everything you stand for, direct action got George Floyd justice not votes, and the people you back turned around and decided to fund the police to record levels, it’s a war not an electoral campaign

I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

Do you know how to communicate in anything other than thought terminating clichés?

No he fuckin did not, the rank and file wanted 14 days, the rank and file pushed for a strike, which union leadership did not want, the rank and file did not vote to sabotage their striking rights, Biden and the Capitalists wanted 0 days and no strike, the Squad “wanted” 7 days and were willing to sacrifice the right to strike despite knowing perfectly well the 7 days bill would die in the Senate

4 days is an insulting crumb to incentivize workers from not engaging in unauthorized slowdown measures, sick and tired of you Blue MAGA slugs