Kissing the hand of an elder is a traditional sign of respect in Turkey - notes the Duvar portal.
That is fair (although weird). Now lets talk about slapping children in the face and giving them money for kissing you!
Nothing screams “RESPECT!” as loud as the fear of physical violence.
This is a good way to have that kid growing up disrespecting authority in general.
That’s not how it works. If the society tells him that he wrong and rightfully punished, kid will likely just accept that reality.
Edit: what the? Why am I downvoted? I suppose you guys haven’t lived in middle-eastern countries.
Or, hear me out, he grows up resentful of all who lord their undeserved power over him, like billions of other children already do?
Most children are successfully socialized into the culture they’re raised in. I think the usual though process is “I was hit by adults when I was a child” -> “I hit children now that I’m an adult” rather than rebellion.
“Hitting children for any reason is wrong” is an idea that only recently developed in Western culture. It isn’t universal in space or in time and without it, children still generally didn’t grow up to distrust authority or hate injustice.
(Consider a similar phenomenon in the Soviet Army: the tradition of senior conscripts abusing junior conscripts. All those senior conscripts were recently junior conscripts themselves and yet the tradition continues.)
That’s a very black-and-white way of looking at it. As children grow older, so too do their elders. Eventually the power balance (so to speak) shifts, and both the child and the elder learn who can hit harder.
Locking up parents you don’t like in a nursing home is also a recent, Western development. Generally grown children don’t seek revenge against their parents even in societies where physical violence against children is common. On the contrary, these societies usually have strong norms requiring the respect of elders.
(It’s ironic that by historical standards, Western parents treat their children exceptionally well but Western children treat their parents exceptionally poorly.)
Who said anything about a nursing home? I thought we were talking about throwing punches? Cause as I said, as each party ages, they both learn who hits harder.
Any old person that acts like they can’t catch hands, is literally asking for some to be thrown.
If you’re 20yo still taking abuse from someone three times your age, you’re not fighting hard enough for your own rights.
I hope to any and every god that may exist, that kid gets close enough to Erdogan one day, to return the favor tenfold.
I don’t know of any society where physical violence against one’s elderly parents is ever considered acceptable. A young adult is stronger than his elderly parents, but that young adult is universally forbidden to physically harm them, and this taboo is very rarely violated. (Edrogan isn’t the boy’s parent but he’s even higher up in the “respected elder” hierarchy.)
The only thing my ultra-conservative father and grandfather managed to do to me was to never ever let them anywhere near their grandchildren.
I also might’ve let my father know how it feels to get thrown through a bookshelf by someone a lot stronger when I got old enough to do so. Suddenly he was a lot less enthusiastic about physical violence. I wonder why. He still managed to fuck up my spine for life when he did the same to me - when I was 12. Took me 6 years and a lot of physio but he’ll never hurt anyone else ever again.
I would say that physical abuse like that is not comparable to a slap. Much fewer people, even in a conservative culture, would approve of disciplining a child that way. Majority would approve of a slap.
Besides, just because you turned out different doesn’t mean that majority will, too. I’ve been belted my entire childhood, but I personally wouldn’t do it. Doesn’t mean it’s become uncommon in general. Usually, people take after their parents.
Slaps are what my mother gave me. My father wouldn’t bother with something like simple slaps.
There’s never any reason to hurt your own children. Not one. Parents are supposed to protect their children.
Sure, but that’s not at all what we are discussing here. We are discussing the perception and overall approval of corporal punishment in conservative cultures.
And while methods that can actually inflict permanent damage to children would be perceived negatively even in conservative cultures, slaps would be approved by most.
I think some of the downvotes might be from people that want it to not be true. I would also like beaten kids to rebel and break the cycle. That doesn’t necessarily mean people don’t understand your point. Some of them have a different experience (they did rebel), some of them agree with you but want the reality to be different and a downvote is a way to express that, and some of them have motivations I can’t even imagine, I guess :)
Downvoting problems away. The Lemmy equivalent of “1 like = 1 prayer”
ERDOGAN BAD HURR DURR
Such a great comment section as always. Sometimes I genuinely feel (or rather hope) that most people commenting are 14 years old or younger, but I know they’re probably not.
Not that anyone not hyper-propagandized needed to see the obvious reality of this “infamous” slap for themselves, but it says a lot that no one even bothered to look it up before circlejerking to this article which was written exactly for the great minds that would fall for it. I picked a BILD link for you because you share the same level of intelligence with their audience.
Is it impossible to disagree, oppose, hate, or even fight people, without falling for propaganda-produced stereotype-infused cartoonish characterizations relayed via such silly stories?
And the best part is the complete lack of self-awareness among those circlejerking themselves to these stories.
That Israel is anti-Erdogan now angel was quite the addition to the collective retardation though. lmao.
In fairness, given that this is a small unserious community with the objective of making fun of things, I didn’t expect this much of a response, that was a bit odd, but neither did I expect an inflamed comment like yours. Chill out, dude, you can post too about other things, you know. Why get so egregiously offended?
And if there is indeed a campaign by Israel to denigrate Erdogan…this post would just be an infinitesimal proportion of it. Just go on reddit and find lots more in more serious communities and discussions of Erdogan, it’s all there… 🙃 and you can find the same making fun of Xi, putin, Biden, Trump, Orban, Zelensky, Modi and lots of other sacred cows.
“Sacred cows” got a chortle out of me
In fairness, given that this is a small unserious community with the objective of making fun of things, I didn’t expect this much of a response
In fairness, this is Not The unserious community 😀
And if there is indeed a campaign by Israel to denigrate Erdogan
I was laughing at that notion. Erdogan only started to get loud (only verbals, no actions) against Israel after losing some local elections due to Turkey providing materialistic (actual actions) support for Israel, mainly through one of the ports in the Mediterranean. Israel is happy to play along of course since they are used to this (it happened before). The same goes for some “Arab” states (all British-made client feudalisms) who provide support through land (The gulf => Jordan => Israel) to break the partial blockage in the Red Sea.
Erdogan is perfectly capable of denigrating himselfеlf, he’s a grown boy who says stupid things all the time, like saying he’s going to invade Israel. I have to admit I’d like to see the bastard try now :D
I love how this is front page news while the fact that Turkey is a totalitarian dictatorship, openly committing war crimes is a topic about as well-covered by the US mainsteam media as Isreal committing a genocide.
It reminds me that if a ruler is brutal enough, eliminating ALL of their enemies, they are free to rewrite history.
This is NotTheOnion, I’m sure you’re right, but not really the place to be complaining about that.
Are you sure about that?
ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE
is the right place to be shedding light on genocidal dictators.
You sound like a censorship-happy Reddit mod.
You know you can post too, right? Plenty of nottheonion-worthy Israeli stuff to post.
Good idea. Perhaps I will.
Israel’s attacks on Palestinian civilians are in the mainstream news every day bro
Edit: Here are just a few from the top of the news this morning:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-airstrike-gaza-deir-al-balah-girls-school-hospital/
Bro…I live in the US where even the headlines from the NYT are heavily editorialized to act as pro-Israel propaganda. They might report Isreal attacking Palestinians but they’ll make sure to reword any (war crimes) violence inflicted (bombing refugee camps and actual, working hospitals) by Israel forces as “defense” and any violence perpetrated by Palestian-friendly forces as “terrorist attacks”.
You say “even the headlines from the NYT” like the NYT is representative of the whole of the US news media, which it is not. The NYT has been skewing conservative for some time now
I mention the NYT because they are ubiquitous. They are literally called, “the paper of record” in the US because they are the most well-respected news organization here by many (not me but many). I could point to THOUSANDS of other US papers and news organizations presenting even more egregious propaganda as well if you need.
Are you seriously trying to defend the batshit-crazy notion that the US mainsteam media ISN’T biased in Israel’s favour?
I wonder what kind of parents that kid has
Normal, a child shouldn’t be forced to kiss elders.
