It’s important to point out that AMD isn’t perfect either (I don’t know about Intel), since it requires you to install proprietary firmware. But it’s obviously a huge improvement, since it doesn’t require proprietary drivers. If we forced Nvidia to do what AMD does, we would be in a much better position. So if you care about freedom, Nvidia is the last company you should choose.
If you are that concerned about firmware modern hardware is not your friend. Everything from your CPU to WiFi to integrated graphics requires proprietary software
I mean, that doesn’t really have to do with modern hardware. CPU’s need a blob in the bios since like forever. Also you don’t need any proprietary firmware on the os for a cpu
Things are changing fast. Nvidia has their own “open source drivers” that are almost identical to the proprietary ones and the NVK project has open source drivers that might outperform the proprietary drivers in most games.
Now the only reason you might install the property drivers by the end of this year is cuda and potentially open CL.I think they’re protective of their drivers because about the only thing separating their rt cards from their quatro cards are their drivers and software locked features. Quartos probably get put in more Linux systems than any other type of system.
So, it works don’t it. Your literally alienating anyone who just switched to Linux and is trying out open source software for that?
Nvidia is the best graphics card you can get on Windows and your saying instead of keeping your hardware longer, throw it out and spend almost 1k on a new graphics card? If you didn’t pay attention to the state of Linux drivers before you decided to flip Microsoft the bird your saying “too bad go back to windows or get a real graphics card”?
That’s a shitty take and if I’d listened to people like you without testing the waters myself I’d have never left windows because I happen to use my graphics cards for at least five years. In that time period I’d probably have forgotten why I wanted to switch in the first place.
What part of “dont throw money at them” align with “throw it out and spend almost 1k on a new graphics card”?
I am asking people not to buy nvidia card because of their misalignment with the open source sprit, not saying people should throw away their card nor stop switching to linux.
I am sorry but to me it feels like you just make up a point in your head, and starts attacking it as if it is my idea.
I personally do use a Nvidia GPU on my linux desktop, because it comes with the desktop when I brought it second hand. The GPU caused me problem but they are mostly fixable, since I am on a popular distro. But I would never buy any more nvidia hardware for my PC, because of their disrespect for open source.
What ever makes you feel better. The attitude towards Nvidia is toxic considering some people need it for work and other people just don’t have the choice to switch.
The Nvidia open source drivers are provided by Nvidia and the nvk project is built referencing that code. Nvidia itself has helped in their weird way by providing stuff like headers for the 3D acceleration and compute hardware to giving nouveau access to the GSP firmware blobs. These new drivers would be near impossible without a little help from Nvidia.
It’s really hard to ask a company that makes a shitload on quatro cards to just give up the source code when pretty much the only difference between quartos and rt cards comes down to software locks and slightly higher quality silicon.
The attitude towards Nvidia is toxic considering some people need it for work and other people just don’t have the choice to switch.
Have you ever considered that we are in this mess, because of people like you? Nvidia is abusing their users and instead of admitting that, you choose to defend them and make up excuses for them. Think about what you are doing. As we speak there is somebody else somewhere making the same excuses for Microsoft, Apple, Google or any other shitty company. Nobody wants to prevent those companies from making money, we just want them to do it in an ethical way. If not, they can fuck off.
I didn’t make excuses for them, I’m not defending them. I’m just telling you guys to stop attacking people just because of the choices they made in the past. We should celebrate Linux becoming more inclusive and easier to use not scream at other people for making a decision weather it was informed or not.
Someone has a good experience five other people who never owned an Nvidia cards or is using a shit laptop chime in with a smug attitude calling them an idiot because they own a card that potentially runs like shit on Linux. Just let people enjoy their stuff, help them out if idk… They ask you what works best with Linux or maybe… asks for your damn opinion.
This is the toxicity I’m talking about, the attitude that people bitch and moan about everytime someone brings up the Linux community. I try to be helpful and friendly to newcomers but straight up telling people they should feel bad for making a choice doesn’t fix anything or making negative remarks on something someone is excited about.
Nvidia is trying to make more of their driver open source, the very thing you guys get a hard on about when you complain about it. It’s for the same reason AMD is open source(free labor and vulnerability patches) but still good because better experience.
And guess what, I own an amd cpu and even I can’t ignore them artificially moving the price of their new cups and gpus up the price stack while neglecting to release cheaper more obtainable parts like they used to. It’s almost like they’re all greedy companies and your stiffie for AMD cards are unwarranted.
Get fucking real, instead of getting bent you should shop for hardware like you’d shop for a toaster oven the features you want, the best value, for the cheapest price.
We weren’t attacking anybody. But I’m stick of people defending companies that take away our freedom.
We should celebrate Linux becoming more inclusive and easier to use not scream at other people for making a decision weather it was informed or not.
Why should I be happy that proprietary software is easier to use? I want to destroy it. I want to live in a free society.
I try to be helpful and friendly to newcomers but straight up telling people they should feel bad for making a choice doesn’t fix anything or making negative remarks on something someone is excited about.
If we don’t inform people about this, it will get even worse. Nothing will stop other companies from doing the same.
Nvidia is trying to make more of their driver open source, the very thing you guys get a hard on about when you complain about it. It’s for the same reason AMD is open source(free labor and vulnerability patches) but still good because better experience.
But they aren’t free software yet. So there is nothing to be grateful for yet. Right now they are taking away their user’s freedom. People deserve to be able to control their own computers.
And guess what, I own an amd cpu and even I can’t ignore them artificially moving the price of their new cups and gpus up the price stack while neglecting to release cheaper more obtainable parts like they used to. It’s almost like they’re all greedy companies and your stiffie for AMD cards are unwarranted.
Get fucking real, instead of getting bent you should shop for hardware like you’d shop for a toaster oven the features you want, the best value, for the cheapest price.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ll be impatiently & excitedly waiting for the open source Nvidia drivers get good enough for me to switch. I do afteral have at least 4 more years of life in my card.😜
It’s important to point out that AMD isn’t perfect either (I don’t know about Intel), since it requires you to install proprietary firmware. But it’s obviously a huge improvement, since it doesn’t require proprietary drivers. If we forced Nvidia to do what AMD does, we would be in a much better position. So if you care about freedom, Nvidia is the last company you should choose.
If you are that concerned about firmware modern hardware is not your friend. Everything from your CPU to WiFi to integrated graphics requires proprietary software
I mean, that doesn’t really have to do with modern hardware. CPU’s need a blob in the bios since like forever. Also you don’t need any proprietary firmware on the os for a cpu
Fair enough I suppose. I just am pointing out that the low level hardware is not free and is pretty much a black box.
Things are changing fast. Nvidia has their own “open source drivers” that are almost identical to the proprietary ones and the NVK project has open source drivers that might outperform the proprietary drivers in most games.
Now the only reason you might install the property drivers by the end of this year is cuda and potentially open CL.I think they’re protective of their drivers because about the only thing separating their rt cards from their quatro cards are their drivers and software locked features. Quartos probably get put in more Linux systems than any other type of system.
Open source driver is maintained by the community and spend a long time just to get over the man-made barrier posted by nvidia.
If you think locking down hardware is a practice against the spirit of open source, don’t throw money at them.
So, it works don’t it. Your literally alienating anyone who just switched to Linux and is trying out open source software for that?
Nvidia is the best graphics card you can get on Windows and your saying instead of keeping your hardware longer, throw it out and spend almost 1k on a new graphics card? If you didn’t pay attention to the state of Linux drivers before you decided to flip Microsoft the bird your saying “too bad go back to windows or get a real graphics card”?
That’s a shitty take and if I’d listened to people like you without testing the waters myself I’d have never left windows because I happen to use my graphics cards for at least five years. In that time period I’d probably have forgotten why I wanted to switch in the first place.
What part of “dont throw money at them” align with “throw it out and spend almost 1k on a new graphics card”?
I am asking people not to buy nvidia card because of their misalignment with the open source sprit, not saying people should throw away their card nor stop switching to linux.
I am sorry but to me it feels like you just make up a point in your head, and starts attacking it as if it is my idea.
I personally do use a Nvidia GPU on my linux desktop, because it comes with the desktop when I brought it second hand. The GPU caused me problem but they are mostly fixable, since I am on a popular distro. But I would never buy any more nvidia hardware for my PC, because of their disrespect for open source.
I hope this clears things up for you.
What ever makes you feel better. The attitude towards Nvidia is toxic considering some people need it for work and other people just don’t have the choice to switch.
The Nvidia open source drivers are provided by Nvidia and the nvk project is built referencing that code. Nvidia itself has helped in their weird way by providing stuff like headers for the 3D acceleration and compute hardware to giving nouveau access to the GSP firmware blobs. These new drivers would be near impossible without a little help from Nvidia.
It’s really hard to ask a company that makes a shitload on quatro cards to just give up the source code when pretty much the only difference between quartos and rt cards comes down to software locks and slightly higher quality silicon.
Have you ever considered that we are in this mess, because of people like you? Nvidia is abusing their users and instead of admitting that, you choose to defend them and make up excuses for them. Think about what you are doing. As we speak there is somebody else somewhere making the same excuses for Microsoft, Apple, Google or any other shitty company. Nobody wants to prevent those companies from making money, we just want them to do it in an ethical way. If not, they can fuck off.
I didn’t make excuses for them, I’m not defending them. I’m just telling you guys to stop attacking people just because of the choices they made in the past. We should celebrate Linux becoming more inclusive and easier to use not scream at other people for making a decision weather it was informed or not.
Someone has a good experience five other people who never owned an Nvidia cards or is using a shit laptop chime in with a smug attitude calling them an idiot because they own a card that potentially runs like shit on Linux. Just let people enjoy their stuff, help them out if idk… They ask you what works best with Linux or maybe… asks for your damn opinion.
This is the toxicity I’m talking about, the attitude that people bitch and moan about everytime someone brings up the Linux community. I try to be helpful and friendly to newcomers but straight up telling people they should feel bad for making a choice doesn’t fix anything or making negative remarks on something someone is excited about.
Nvidia is trying to make more of their driver open source, the very thing you guys get a hard on about when you complain about it. It’s for the same reason AMD is open source(free labor and vulnerability patches) but still good because better experience.
And guess what, I own an amd cpu and even I can’t ignore them artificially moving the price of their new cups and gpus up the price stack while neglecting to release cheaper more obtainable parts like they used to. It’s almost like they’re all greedy companies and your stiffie for AMD cards are unwarranted.
Get fucking real, instead of getting bent you should shop for hardware like you’d shop for a toaster oven the features you want, the best value, for the cheapest price.
Have fun with your lil circle jerk I’m out.
We weren’t attacking anybody. But I’m stick of people defending companies that take away our freedom.
Why should I be happy that proprietary software is easier to use? I want to destroy it. I want to live in a free society.
If we don’t inform people about this, it will get even worse. Nothing will stop other companies from doing the same.
But they aren’t free software yet. So there is nothing to be grateful for yet. Right now they are taking away their user’s freedom. People deserve to be able to control their own computers.
This is an issue of ethics. It’s not about price or features: https://piped.video/watch?v=Ag1AKIl_2GM
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ll be impatiently & excitedly waiting for the open source Nvidia drivers get good enough for me to switch. I do afteral have at least 4 more years of life in my card.😜
the trick is to only use old cards, so the driver “improvements” don’t really affect them. works for any OS and manufacturer.