despite what “free speech” absolutists would like to believe, the vast majority of the world does not wish to tolerate hate, racism, and bigotry. refusing to accept these is not suppression, it’s maintaining healthy and welcoming communities.
it’s no different than swimming pools having a basic “no shitting in the pool” policy. if you want to shit in the pool, you are going to have to go swim with others that are ok with swimming in shitty water.
with that said, I hear exploding-heads may be what you’re looking for
You should read about the paradox of tolerance and why free speech should be limited to what doesn’t hurt or limit others’ access to freedom.
Being able to trash talk minorities (completely random example obviously) is not free speech, it’s hate speech that will ultimately devolve into atrocities.
Also, please share the kind of things that you think should be allowed without naming them (in full details like “racist slurs”, or “calls to violence against a minority”, or “cryptoscams”) , I think it could be interesting.
Censorship is also a gateway to disasters and history is filled with examples. I cannot read french but i can understand that your instance has rules against trolling. I have been accused of being a troll by some in this thread so if i was in your instance i could technically have been censored.
Their rule agains slurs obviously isn’t enforced considering it’s full of anti-trans slurs and “jokes” about trans folk killing themselves.
Do you really think that a community that’s full of nothing but hate and amazing posts like “why do women disrespect or avoid nice guys and go for the players and bad boys” is gonna be healthier long-term than one that fosters respectful discussion?
Censorship doesn’t promote discussion, it goes against it. I’m not looking for a community where only hate is allowed, i’m looking for instances that support free speech.
Allowing hate also kills discussion - I don’t see particularly many trans users joining in with the “fun” over on exploding heads, for example.
Every single “free speech” website ends up turning into a hateful circlejerky echo chamber where discussion that doesn’t align with the agenda is shut down hard.
And when you start banning speech arbitrarily to “protect people” you are creating the mechanisms by which government can prevent “speaking truth to power”.
For example look at the pandemic and the “truth” fact-checks by the big social media companies. Sure nobody cares now because they were censoring anti-vax loonies but next think you know there’s a popular leftist movement and it’s designated as dangerous and censored by force across the internet- using same mechanisms built during COVID.
We cannot give an inch to the government. Every overstep is power they will never give up willingly again.
I’m unsure what your point is. Are you talking about social media companies, or are you talking about the government? Because free speech is about censorship from the government, not private corporations
Federal government pressured social media companies to do this. It was all in the name of fighting misinformation. Which again - is fine now but it doesn’t take much imagination to see how this can go wrong should the wrong person be elected.
Large monopolistic companies are in many ways extensions of the state.
It doesn’t mean people have to listen to what you’re telling them, and it certainly doesn’t mean that if someone doesn’t want to hear it you have a duty to say it. Cowards afraid of personal responsibility use this argument.
If any rules at all, particularly ones about no trolling or slurs, bother you than you don’t want freedom of speech at all. You want freedom from consequences for your speech. Grow up.
despite what “free speech” absolutists would like to believe, the vast majority of the world does not wish to tolerate hate, racism, and bigotry. refusing to accept these is not suppression, it’s maintaining healthy and welcoming communities.
it’s no different than swimming pools having a basic “no shitting in the pool” policy. if you want to shit in the pool, you are going to have to go swim with others that are ok with swimming in shitty water.
with that said, I hear exploding-heads may be what you’re looking for
Isn’t that a quote about Issac Newton?
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”
I personally believe that a community that support free speech is going to be healthier on the long run than one that doesn’t.
exploding-heads seem to have rules against not being authentic, trolling and slurs
You should read about the paradox of tolerance and why free speech should be limited to what doesn’t hurt or limit others’ access to freedom.
Being able to trash talk minorities (completely random example obviously) is not free speech, it’s hate speech that will ultimately devolve into atrocities.
Also, please share the kind of things that you think should be allowed without naming them (in full details like “racist slurs”, or “calls to violence against a minority”, or “cryptoscams”) , I think it could be interesting.
Censorship is also a gateway to disasters and history is filled with examples. I cannot read french but i can understand that your instance has rules against trolling. I have been accused of being a troll by some in this thread so if i was in your instance i could technically have been censored.
Their rule agains slurs obviously isn’t enforced considering it’s full of anti-trans slurs and “jokes” about trans folk killing themselves.
Do you really think that a community that’s full of nothing but hate and amazing posts like “why do women disrespect or avoid nice guys and go for the players and bad boys” is gonna be healthier long-term than one that fosters respectful discussion?
Censorship doesn’t promote discussion, it goes against it. I’m not looking for a community where only hate is allowed, i’m looking for instances that support free speech.
Allowing hate also kills discussion - I don’t see particularly many trans users joining in with the “fun” over on exploding heads, for example.
Every single “free speech” website ends up turning into a hateful circlejerky echo chamber where discussion that doesn’t align with the agenda is shut down hard.
That’s the irony. “Free speech” platforms are some of the most locked-down, censored places.
Um… Orwell was talking about speaking truth to power, not spreading lies and vitriol.
And when you start banning speech arbitrarily to “protect people” you are creating the mechanisms by which government can prevent “speaking truth to power”.
For example look at the pandemic and the “truth” fact-checks by the big social media companies. Sure nobody cares now because they were censoring anti-vax loonies but next think you know there’s a popular leftist movement and it’s designated as dangerous and censored by force across the internet- using same mechanisms built during COVID.
We cannot give an inch to the government. Every overstep is power they will never give up willingly again.
I’m unsure what your point is. Are you talking about social media companies, or are you talking about the government? Because free speech is about censorship from the government, not private corporations
Federal government pressured social media companies to do this. It was all in the name of fighting misinformation. Which again - is fine now but it doesn’t take much imagination to see how this can go wrong should the wrong person be elected.
Large monopolistic companies are in many ways extensions of the state.
Lies and vitriol according to whom?
See now, words have meanings. Most words aren’t open to your feelings.
Lies
Vitriol
When you’re ready to actually discuss this like a normal person instead of a troll, please let me know.
what kinda “lies” and “vitriol” you wishing to say?
It doesn’t mean people have to listen to what you’re telling them, and it certainly doesn’t mean that if someone doesn’t want to hear it you have a duty to say it. Cowards afraid of personal responsibility use this argument.
If any rules at all, particularly ones about no trolling or slurs, bother you than you don’t want freedom of speech at all. You want freedom from consequences for your speech. Grow up.
Nobody is forcing you to follow this thread. What I’m looking for is stated in the title: a list of instances that support free speech
Sorry, I thought thought I had the right to tell you what you didn’t want to hear.
Go back to Twitter. You obviously don’t recognize freedom of speech when it’s happening right infront of you.
OP: “I want free speech”
Also OP: “Pls go away with ur free speech”
Uh as you pointed out free speech means you are required to interact with opinions you find offensive.
Are you saying you don’t support free speech, snowflake? If you do you’ll stay in this thread.