Wtf are you talking about, repeatedly posting the same post across multiple communities in short succession would be called spam. What else are you calling it?
It would only be spam if it was posted to communities that aren’t on topic or if the individual communities were not interested in the content posted. The way the fediverse is set up, there are going to be tons of communities that all offer similar content. If I find an article that is on topic of several communities, why should I have to pick which one I post it to? How would I choose? Why can’t I post to multiple if I’m trying to get people in all communities to see it?
Spam is typically thought of as unwanted material. As long as the things that are being posted are legit, this isn’t a spam problem, it’s really a fediverse problem that someone is going to have to find a solution to like only displaying links one time if multiple posts are made to similar communities or better yet figuring out a way to federate multiple communities into one big community where everything posted to one automatically gets posted to all of them. But that’s still not spam, that’s just redundant on-topic posts being made to proper places.
It may be semantics, but word choice matters. Especially when your suggested “solution” involves blocking people who are posting legitimate content to places. If everyone goes around blocking all the people posting content, pretty soon there won’t be any content or any people to see it and that’s harmful to the fediverse as a whole. Let’s use the correct terminology and come up with good solutions to the actual issue at hand instead of thinking of it as just needing to block a few spammers like these people are sending out dick pill emails to thousands of people at once.
People are saying they don’t like the spam, it’s ultimately the choice of the user if they do not want to see repeated posts of the same item.
I get posting to 2 communities of the same, but if you are filling multiple communities with the same post. You aren’t really adding anything.
With the fediverse people can subscribe to multiple communities with what you’re suggesting, if everyone were to spam posts, which this is what it is. It’s spamming the same post across multiple communities.
What you’re going to end up with is a bunch of redundant communities with a severe lack of orginal content.
Which harms the community they are posting to more than it helps.
Why should I subscribe to both News@lemmy.world and News@SmallLemmy if the small community is just reposted content from the first community.
I get what you’re trying to say, but this kind of thing harms the communities more than it helps
They can do this if they want too, but I’m not going to bother subscribing to a community with duplicate posts. That’s not the point of the fediverse.
The beautiful thing about Lemmy is you can have multiple communities co-existing, producing their own unique content and be subscribed to all of them at once.
Nothing against cross-posting but this doesn’t feel at all an organic way of sharing content. It feels forced and hampers discussion.
People who are scrolling through all can see these posts, and will need to pick between 3 of the same post if they want to discuss it, It will spread comments thin. It makes more sense to just post it to one, then maybe wait before posting it again to another community.
I don’t disagree with much of anything you said (and it doesn’t sound like you disagree with anything I said either) aside from the classification that it’s all spam. If I make one on-topic post to a community and you don’t like it, that doesn’t mean it’s spam. If I made 2 posts to to different communities, you admit it’s not spam. The problem isn’t the users who are posting, and blocking them isn’t a solution, at least certainly not a long term one. The problem needs to be addressed at a fediverse level, and not at a content creator level.
If I send out an email to 100 of my friends inviting them to a party and they all wanted to get that email, that’s not spam. If I send out 100 emails to the same people asking them to buy essential oils, that’s spam. It’s not the amount of content that I send, it’s if the content is relevant and appropriate for the audience that defines if something is spam or not. I agree that it’s very annoying to see the same content in dozens of different places here, but to call it spam is to place the blame on the poster, and that’s not where we should be focusing the blame. Dance around it all you want, but posting on-topic content to the correct places isn’t the definition of spam. Period. The only people calling it spam are people, like yourself, who don’t know what spam actually is.
When you are sending out invites to friends you aren’t sending 50 invitations to all 50 of your friends. You are sending 1 invitation to 1 friend.
The problem is the amount of which it is being reposted, and the frequency of the reposts. It’s literally not good for the website if you are just spamming the same content.
I hate arguing semantics. If it’s repeated reposts, the word is spam. Unless you have another word for it. It is called spam that’s just how it is.
Again, you haven’t really addressed what I’m saying. It’s low effort to repost the same post. It buries discussion when browsing All. If there are 10 posts of the same post; conversation is spread thin.
I’m not against the reposting happening, I’m against the frequency in which a post is reposted.
If I post 5 of the same article to 5 different communities in quick succession, people are going to only click 1 of 5 articles.
Person A might go to the first one, Person B might go to the third article. Both leave comments but again, because they are sent to multiple communities in quick succession the article hasn’t got the same chance to see people discuss it Where as if it’s posted later, someone can respond to it and an organic discussion can form because it’s just the 1 article.
I’m sorry, but to repost so quickly one after the other. It’s self-sabotage. It doesn’t make sense.
It’s not productive to the website.
I’m not saying you can’t have communities with the same content, but why the hell would I subscribe to 1 community if it has the same content as another. That to me defeats the point of a fediverse.
You can have multiple communities, why do I want to go to another community that’s exactly the same as another? What’s the point with that?
The problem with the fediverse is that subscribed communities isn’t prioritised so most people just stick to all without subscribing to individual communities so they can see all the content they’re interested in.
Having multiple communities is great, You get to find the one that best suits your ideas of how a community should be run. If you don’t like the mods you can decide to use a different one.
If you want more community you can find more similarly themed communities to get more content you’re interested in, but again I ask. What is the point of subscribing to Art Community 1 & 2 if Art Community 2 is just a duplicate of the first community. To me that is not the point of the fediverse.
It’s not organic to constantly spam reposts.
Also I’m talking about the LITERAL definition of spam:
“spam
noun
: unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places”
Something on-topic can still be spam, if it’s posted to a large number of places it’s spam.
Trust me, I’ve had a long time to get to grips with Lemmy, I got LemmyShitpost and MildlyInfuriating off the ground. It wouldn’t be where it is if I hadn’t posted how I did, but I learned a bit and when I say it doesn’t work or help Lemmy to do what you’re suggesting. I mean it.
That’s not what spam is.
Wtf are you talking about, repeatedly posting the same post across multiple communities in short succession would be called spam. What else are you calling it?
It would only be spam if it was posted to communities that aren’t on topic or if the individual communities were not interested in the content posted. The way the fediverse is set up, there are going to be tons of communities that all offer similar content. If I find an article that is on topic of several communities, why should I have to pick which one I post it to? How would I choose? Why can’t I post to multiple if I’m trying to get people in all communities to see it?
Spam is typically thought of as unwanted material. As long as the things that are being posted are legit, this isn’t a spam problem, it’s really a fediverse problem that someone is going to have to find a solution to like only displaying links one time if multiple posts are made to similar communities or better yet figuring out a way to federate multiple communities into one big community where everything posted to one automatically gets posted to all of them. But that’s still not spam, that’s just redundant on-topic posts being made to proper places.
It may be semantics, but word choice matters. Especially when your suggested “solution” involves blocking people who are posting legitimate content to places. If everyone goes around blocking all the people posting content, pretty soon there won’t be any content or any people to see it and that’s harmful to the fediverse as a whole. Let’s use the correct terminology and come up with good solutions to the actual issue at hand instead of thinking of it as just needing to block a few spammers like these people are sending out dick pill emails to thousands of people at once.
People are saying they don’t like the spam, it’s ultimately the choice of the user if they do not want to see repeated posts of the same item.
I get posting to 2 communities of the same, but if you are filling multiple communities with the same post. You aren’t really adding anything. With the fediverse people can subscribe to multiple communities with what you’re suggesting, if everyone were to spam posts, which this is what it is. It’s spamming the same post across multiple communities. What you’re going to end up with is a bunch of redundant communities with a severe lack of orginal content. Which harms the community they are posting to more than it helps.
Why should I subscribe to both News@lemmy.world and News@SmallLemmy if the small community is just reposted content from the first community. I get what you’re trying to say, but this kind of thing harms the communities more than it helps
They can do this if they want too, but I’m not going to bother subscribing to a community with duplicate posts. That’s not the point of the fediverse.
The beautiful thing about Lemmy is you can have multiple communities co-existing, producing their own unique content and be subscribed to all of them at once. Nothing against cross-posting but this doesn’t feel at all an organic way of sharing content. It feels forced and hampers discussion.
People who are scrolling through all can see these posts, and will need to pick between 3 of the same post if they want to discuss it, It will spread comments thin. It makes more sense to just post it to one, then maybe wait before posting it again to another community.
I don’t disagree with much of anything you said (and it doesn’t sound like you disagree with anything I said either) aside from the classification that it’s all spam. If I make one on-topic post to a community and you don’t like it, that doesn’t mean it’s spam. If I made 2 posts to to different communities, you admit it’s not spam. The problem isn’t the users who are posting, and blocking them isn’t a solution, at least certainly not a long term one. The problem needs to be addressed at a fediverse level, and not at a content creator level.
If I send out an email to 100 of my friends inviting them to a party and they all wanted to get that email, that’s not spam. If I send out 100 emails to the same people asking them to buy essential oils, that’s spam. It’s not the amount of content that I send, it’s if the content is relevant and appropriate for the audience that defines if something is spam or not. I agree that it’s very annoying to see the same content in dozens of different places here, but to call it spam is to place the blame on the poster, and that’s not where we should be focusing the blame. Dance around it all you want, but posting on-topic content to the correct places isn’t the definition of spam. Period. The only people calling it spam are people, like yourself, who don’t know what spam actually is.
When you are sending out invites to friends you aren’t sending 50 invitations to all 50 of your friends. You are sending 1 invitation to 1 friend.
The problem is the amount of which it is being reposted, and the frequency of the reposts. It’s literally not good for the website if you are just spamming the same content. I hate arguing semantics. If it’s repeated reposts, the word is spam. Unless you have another word for it. It is called spam that’s just how it is.
Again, you haven’t really addressed what I’m saying. It’s low effort to repost the same post. It buries discussion when browsing All. If there are 10 posts of the same post; conversation is spread thin. I’m not against the reposting happening, I’m against the frequency in which a post is reposted.
If I post 5 of the same article to 5 different communities in quick succession, people are going to only click 1 of 5 articles. Person A might go to the first one, Person B might go to the third article. Both leave comments but again, because they are sent to multiple communities in quick succession the article hasn’t got the same chance to see people discuss it Where as if it’s posted later, someone can respond to it and an organic discussion can form because it’s just the 1 article.
I’m sorry, but to repost so quickly one after the other. It’s self-sabotage. It doesn’t make sense. It’s not productive to the website.
I’m not saying you can’t have communities with the same content, but why the hell would I subscribe to 1 community if it has the same content as another. That to me defeats the point of a fediverse. You can have multiple communities, why do I want to go to another community that’s exactly the same as another? What’s the point with that?
The problem with the fediverse is that subscribed communities isn’t prioritised so most people just stick to all without subscribing to individual communities so they can see all the content they’re interested in.
Having multiple communities is great, You get to find the one that best suits your ideas of how a community should be run. If you don’t like the mods you can decide to use a different one. If you want more community you can find more similarly themed communities to get more content you’re interested in, but again I ask. What is the point of subscribing to Art Community 1 & 2 if Art Community 2 is just a duplicate of the first community. To me that is not the point of the fediverse.
It’s not organic to constantly spam reposts. Also I’m talking about the LITERAL definition of spam:
“spam noun : unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places”
as defined by Merriam Webster
Something on-topic can still be spam, if it’s posted to a large number of places it’s spam.
Trust me, I’ve had a long time to get to grips with Lemmy, I got LemmyShitpost and MildlyInfuriating off the ground. It wouldn’t be where it is if I hadn’t posted how I did, but I learned a bit and when I say it doesn’t work or help Lemmy to do what you’re suggesting. I mean it.