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      He’s not doing genocide, depending on your viewpoint he might not be doing enough to stop it up to abetting genocide but he’s not Netanyahu. Stick to the facts and don’t pretend Israel doesn’t have agency.

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        Oh wow! The pot called the kettle black! 😲

        Do you care at all about genocide? Biden isn’t even running for president, you can talk shit about him and it won’t help Trump at all.

        Yet you still support him and his genocide. 🤔

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          Oh yeah, obviously everyone in this thread is directly endorsing Palestinian genocide because we are agreeing with Biden about the racists in our country being emboldened by Trump.

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            Anyone attacking me for pointing out the fact that Biden is doing genocide is, in fact, endorsing the genocide.

            Biden is not running for President. You don’t need to protect him anymore to stop Trump. So, speak out!

            If you won’t speak out, even when attacking Biden has zero impact on the race, you are literally a genocide supporter.

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                Wow, holy shit this is hilarious. Liberals are projecting so hard, and they think they’re the ones in the right for saying this manipulative bullshit.

                Incredible. It’s just too good.

                We’re going to remember you collaborators.

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              No the fuck they are not and your bullshit take on this is not helping the Palestinian cause in the slightest. I’m not even attacking you, I’m disagreeing, which is a huge difference, but one that requires understanding of nuance and the fact that the world is not black and white.

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                Genocide is, in fact, black and white. Either you’re against it or you’re for it, there’s no third option.

                Name a single fucking reason for someone to stand up for genocide Joe, other than support for genocide. He’s not running for President anymore, you don’t have to keep defending him. Please!

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                your bullshit take on this is not helping the Palestinian cause in the slightest.

                oh… but your bullshit take is sure helping the palestinians. isn’t it?

                You guys are all about nuance when it suits you. Like vietnam, afganistan, iraq and all those warcrimes speak volumes about what your nuances you like defend. Get off your high horse and do some self-reflection at some point in your life. You are not the force of good in this world, and never were.

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          Do you care about genocide? You don’t make it look like you do. Because most people take genocide seriously and don’t just throw around accusations about random strangers. And they understand the real barriers there are to reducing and stopping it, and who bears the most responsibility for those barriers, and who is simply forced to bow down to them.

          This kind of provocative rhetoric is harmful if you actually want to stop it. You’re getting bombed by downvotes not because what you’re saying, but because the way you’re bringing it, even people that want to stop genocide consider you to be a negative impact on how we actually reduce it. Think about that for a moment.

          You’re undermining your own cause, and it’s hard to differentiate you from someone who wants to muddy the water so we don’t discuss atrocities in good faith at all.

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            This poster absolutely does not care. They’re just using it to make themselves feel better than everyone else. It’s been this way for months.

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              I have them tagged, they admitted that they’re a teenager in school, and they were shocked to find out that Hamas wants genocide lol

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        Whataboutism is when my biases are revealed and I have no strong arguments.

        “Please post about this issue in a different thread so I can conveniently ignore it. I might even down downvote it so it doesn’t get any traction, but don’t ever bring this topic up when we’re circlejerking our beloved president who’s funding a genocide”

        Showing how weak your arguments are against funding a genocide is not the flex you think it is.

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      And what outcome do you have from voting that isn’t genocide? You either have implicitly helping genocide through weapons or explicitly helping by backing Israel no matter what and getting US troops involved. And not voting is just helping the latter side. It sucks and we definitely need to protest more and apply pressure how we can but there aren’t really that many choices for us through voting.

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          I was also free to speak out against him before and did, but that didn’t change that I was gonna vote for him even though I have some problems with him. And the same applies to Kamala as well, who at least on Palestine and Israel seems to have the same exact position as Biden.

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      Wasn’t he working on a cease fire? I stopped following after all the “genocide joe bots” flooded this place. They really didn’t help the cause.

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          I see where we’ve been pushing for a ceasefire for months. We’re not there killing people. You should be upset with Israel, yet you post this shit like it’s our fault Israel went ham after a terrorist attack.

          I think it’s all bullshit and everyone needs to sit the fuck down but that doesn’t drive profits.

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            It’s our fault that Israel has enough weapons to carry out this genocide and it’s our fault that none of the other actors in the region can pressure Israel to stop. Israel literally would have run out of bombs by now! The blood is on our hands.

            We never pushed for a real ceasefire by the way, we have only ever pushed for a temporary pause to release the hostages.

            What’s actually needed is a permanent ceasefire, a hostage exchange (so a release of all Palestinian prisoners), and an arms embargo on Israel. That’s the bare minimum needed to end the conflict - it doesn’t even get into the reparations Israel should be forced to pay or the truth-and-reconciliation commission that should be set up to try soldiers for their crimes against humanity.

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              You don’t think someone else would have given them the guns and bombs??? Your blame game is bullshit. Israel is doing the killing, blame them. Blaming our President is a ridiculous take. Do you blame the gun manufactures for the school shootings?

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                No one else even could. The US has an unparalleled ability to supply weapons.

                Germany would supply some, I’m sure, but they couldn’t keep up with Israel’s demand.

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                  You know this how? Feelings? Your degree in political science? Or just bullshit?

                  Personally, my money is on bullshit, if you’re even real. How’s the family?

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                    Name another country that could provide billions upon billions of dollars of military equipment.

                    Russia? They’re allied with enemies of Israel, that would blow up in their faces. China? Same problem.

                    Germany? Again, their output is much lower than the US, they can’t afford it.

                    So who is it going to be? Can you name the country that would support Israel if the US pulled out?

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                Others would have supplied guns and bombs so we supplied it.

                What kind of lunatic argument is that?

                So much winning. Damn.

                Do you blame the gun manufactures for the school shootings?

                If they knew they were specifically being used for school shooting, just like israel is doing genocide? Yes, you buttstain.

                Serious case of brain rot you have in these threads.

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      Ok, and it’ll be genocide here and there under Trump. Until you can provide a solution, stop whinging about the choices that are forced on us.

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        Silence is support and I am not a genocide supporter. The least you could do is fucking speak out.

        Biden isn’t even running for president. How the fuck does it matter if I point out he’s an evil piece of shit?

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          You do not have to like it or support it, but the option you are presenting gives you no control.

          If you want to sit out in the rain and complain about the rain, that’s your lookout. I will take the action that is most likely to possibly lead to less genocide.

          By that I mean voting in people who are at least pretending to listen to my desires. Even if in the short term it doesn’t solve the problem.

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            Genocide isn’t the weather. It’s being done by people and that means we can fucking stop it.

            You have to speak out if you want genocide to stop or it will never end. Israel will kill and kill until all 2.2 million people in Gaza are exterminated, and in the meantime they’re going to start fucking World War Three and drag us down with them.

            You’ve completely given up on changing anything until next year, haven’t you? Holy shit.

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              What you’re doing is the same as the weather. “I hate this! I will become ungovernable until someone fixes this! Blah blah whine!”

              What do you propose then? Because aside from direct action that is dubiously legal, I am doing what I can. I await your genius plan to stop what’s happening in Gaza. I’m sure you’ll have it any day now.

              Edit: unless this is your plan. I wish you luck with “be surly on lemmy.”

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                It’s the strategy of contention. Being “ungovernable” pressures the government, there’s a toolbox of available mechanisms for doing this and one of those tools is your voice! You need to speak out at every opportunity and make it very clear that you oppose the genocide. It costs you nothing besides your internet points.

                Don’t doubt that politics of contention are half the reason Biden was forced out of the race! People opposed him as the nominee and donors knew this, so they pressured him to drop out. Granted, they claim the only reason was because he was too old (and he is) but don’t doubt that the uncommitted movement helped to push him out of the race.

                Direct action gets the goods, but it’s not the only thing you can do. You can always always raise your voice in opposition.

                You aren’t going to help Trump by attacking Biden. It’s okay.