Apple is an anti privacy company, but these nutrition label things are nice for marketing. Worth a look.
So Telegram, despite not being fully open and not E2E by default is at least a decent second to Signal. Good to know.
I advise Signal (for privacy and security, not anonymity) and Telegram (for privacy and anonymity, not security).
I discussed this little bit in my 2020 overview of privacy community writeup https://lemmy.ml/post/44291 . Quoting the bad section, point 2:
Anonymity means protection of your real life identity, and its separation from your alias in real and/or virtual world.
People that criticise Signal messenger for not having anonymity never understand its purpose. It was made as a WhatsApp competitor, not an XMPP or Matrix competitor.
Telegram and Signal serve as excellent examples to explain this. While Signal has a telephone number requirement, it assures full privacy and security between the sender and receiver of a chat. On the other hand, Telegram does ask for phone number but then you set your alias, hide your phone number and achieve anonymity from every public recipient in the future, thus being popular among protestors and dissidents. Burner numbers exist. Telegram though only has optional, less secure and less audited E2EE, not by default thus not being a perfectly secure tool while being private and anonymous.
To add though, Signal is working on usernames which will also make it suitable for anonymity.
I don’t think it’s very fair to leave Threema out of the discussion, now that they’re open-source.
Threema has incomparably small userbase, so is not considered even in privacy community.
I imagine that is slowly changing now since they’ve made that announcement. The only thing that was holding most people back from at least giving it a shot was the fact that it wasn’t open-source. I personally think it should be included at this point because it is privacy-focused alternative to WhatsApp.
I agree, thanks for pointing it out. Threema was in my hindsight, never in focus, but this changes things.
Although, I use XMPP and Matrix daily, so it is one of the most little mistakes I made in not considering each and every app in the discussion. I will apologise to myself for that.
pretty cool! are these labels in the app store alongside the apps before you download?
where matrix tho?
These labels are from iOS app store, and Element/Matrix is not on Apple store I think.
Matrix was not in the pictogram. And I cleansed the Chinese national flag below the WeChat app that the original xenophobic Reddit author put into it, to have some academic neutrality.
